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i am not sure it matters.. Other than God did it at the time he knew paul wouild respond?
Remember, Paul witnessed Stephens stoninng, and made it his goal to stop the Christian movement,
I think it was because God knew that Paul would always be humbled for what he did, “the least of my brethren” and it fit the character he wanted to preach the mystery/secret...I assume it was the thorn in his side he spoke of...but never said
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eternally-gratefull
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I think Paul is to us, like Moses was to the Jews... As far as the law and grace are concerned
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I think we are blessed with not only paul. But John, and Jude, and James, and Peter. And even Moses.
Does not matter....it pointed to the one coming with the 1st promise of the redeemer found in Genesis 3:15 and the fact that O.T. saints were saved and speak of Salvation in the present tense proves this truth.....Isaiah 53 is another one and not to mention all the Psalms...Job being the oldest book speaks of Job's understanding of the resurrection and he fully understood he would stand again after he died....through and through the O.T. is filled with truth that points to Christ, salvation, grace, faith based justification....Romans 4...Even Abraham and David both understood!
Are you saying that the OT saints didnt attend Dallas theological seminary?
Any seminary that teaches Christ cannot be found in and through the O.T. or that O.T. saints were not saved by grace through faith is full of crap!
I would think they had the same Gospel, but it was presented to them in a bit more veiled form leaving us with less excuse when rejecting it...
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:29 KJV)
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (2 Peter 1:19 KJV)
Was it just Paul?
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: (Mark 4:11 KJV)
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; (Ephesians 2:20 KJV)
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (Ephesians 3:4-5 KJV)
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: (2 Peter 3:2 KJV)
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check this out
maybe this will help you understand
the context of who Paul was speaking too is the key to understanding this
God's children are being judged as they live here in this life by the rod of God through his chastening. We are under the safety of the protective hedge that God has around his children. If we are tempted by our lustful nature and step outside of that hedge we subject ourselves to the firey darts of satan.
Different salvation. Salvation in the Greek=a deliverance. There is a deliverance for the child of God when he comes to an understanding of the knowledge of the truth. They are already delivered eternally, but coming to a knowledge of the truth they are delivered the minute that they understand the knowledge of the truth. The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:4 are "all of the elect men" otherwise, the scriptures would not harmonize. The "many" in Matt is also the elect.
You do not give a scripture reference, so, I am assuming you are referencing 2 Pet 3:9. We have to go back to 2 Pet 2;1 to find out who Peter is talking to, and it is to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter is giving them a warning that when they break God's commandments that they should repent. Peter is including himself in this warning by using the word "us-ward". "perish" does not mean eternally lost because they have already been regenerated to have like precious faith. God does fulfill all that he purposes.(Dan 4:35)
His purpose in choosing an elect people before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4) was because that by his foreknowledge he saw that none would seek (believe-chose) him (Psalms 53:2-3).
Sooo.....what your saying is that, Gods chosen people, the Jews, ordered the death of Christ.....because they knew it was plan A, and they needed a perfect lamb, that happen to be a man?
Please read, Paul says how it was revealed unto him, and how he went to Peter and the others in secret, “after” preaching it to the gentiles....they all agreed to send Paul to the uncircumcised...
Galatians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
King James Version (KJV)