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Do I get to decide what happens to me before, during and after I murder someone? Or before, during and after I jump off a cliff?
Sometimes choices have consequences that you don't get to choose to avoid if you don't like them. If you don't like the potential consequences of a particular choice, don't make that choice.
Sometimes choices have consequences that you don't get to choose to avoid if you don't like them. If you don't like the potential consequences of a particular choice, don't make that choice.
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If you think for one second that my daughter is a "problem" for me you must have fallin' down and bumped your simple head... My daughter is absolutely the BEST thing that has happened in my life...You sit here and cast judgement upon others and you are clueless... My relationship with our Lord and savior solid. And for you to say that you know better is simply ignorance on your part..
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And meanwhile, people like you who steadfastly defend abortion, IN SPITE of the fact that you claim to be a Christian, refuse to deal with the fact that the unborn child, created by God, GETS NO CHOICE AT ALL. Once a woman is pregnant, she doesn't get to make a choice to kill another person. And if you think she does, you should probably spend less time here and more time studying the Bible. You can't divorce yourself from advocating murder by saying it's someone else's "choice," so you have no duty to get involved. You are involved. You vote for amoral politicians that advocate abortion. And you continually defend the concept that this is perfectly allowable for you, in God's eyes. It isn't.
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No. I'm calling your doctrine flawed. Catholics believe in a works-based salvation that is false, and in the real world, isn't buying them anything. Certainly not salvation. Baptism does not earn one salvation. Baptism has nothing to do with salvation. It is simply an act that tells the outside world one has accepted Jesus as their Savior and they are now living their lives dedicated to and in relationship with Him. Baptism is symbolic of the inner salvation process. Without a personal relationship with Christ, and being born again, you can get baptized twice a day, every day and salvation-wise, it isn't getting you anywhere because your faith is placed in the wrong thing. Salvation comes purely through grace. Not works. If a work you do yourself can save you, you don't even need Jesus. And Catholicism points people to everything and everyone else instead of Jesus. It's a classic con game. Carrots and sticks.
I don't remember saying that, and I never even inferred it. Again, you try and make the argument about me, and not the actual subject that abortion is wrong, and no Christian should be supporting it. If you can continually say that a Christian can vote for a candidate who advocates abortion, your relationship with Christ is not nearly as solid as you think it is. You can't openly support sin and have a solid relationship with Christ. That's like saying you can cheat on your spouse and have a solid relationship with Christ. Not so much.
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Funny. I know that Catholics view the concept of grace alone with contempt, and a large dose of repugnance, but aloofness and insults don't solve your problem. I have no doubt that you love Christ and feel you are serving him, within the confines of what you have been taught, doctrinally, but your sarcastic use of the term "born again" shows a good deal of contempt for anyone outside of the RCC which, frankly, does not surprise me. It's prevalent in Catholicism. It's prevalent in the Latter Day Saints. It's prevalent in Seventh Day Adventists. It's prevalent in Jehovah's Witnesses. The thing all those denominations share is that they are all based on both false doctrine, and the belief that they are "the only one true church." So they treat everyone outside their clic like you treated me in the above post. It doesn't speak well of your personal relationship with Christ. It affects me in no way, but you demean yourself when you go down that road. I have not insulted you in one single post, but you choose to insult me in every other post, simply because I disagree with you. You might want to see what The Book has to say about "fruit,' and what it tells others. I have no contempt for you simply because we disagree. But it is clear that your view of me is much, much different than my view of you. My view of you does not give me the desire to continually knock you around with insults, sarcasm, and open contempt. That's a problem that should not exist.
It's amusing to me when people toss the word "judgment" into every other post when they can't defend un-Christian-like behavior on biblical grounds. And then they go on and cast some judgments of their own. The irony of that behavior is lost on most people. As well as the hypocrisy of it. When I'm not actually making any judgments, using the term and attempting to apply it to me is meaningless. It's simply a device meant to halt opposition. Doesn't work with me.
It has nothing to do with "pureness." I'm no more pure than you are. But the fact that both of us still make mistakes, in regards to sin does not alleviate the responsibility to both conduct our lives, as well as a flawed and fallen human being can, preserving our own moral values, as espoused in scriptures, and also striving to keep them in the rest of the Christian community as well, as well as warning others of the dangers of amoral behavior. It isn't a difficult concept, and you can't simply divorce yourself from that responsibility by saying it doesn't matter what you do because everyone else also does stuff that's wrong. Yes, they do, but there is a big, big difference between making an occasional slip-up , and doing things repetitively knowing full well it is wrong to behave that way, but trying to rationalize that bad behavior based on a secular concept of moral relativism. The Bible does not support the concept of moral relativism, and it does not support the concept of being able to knowingly advocate sinful behavior simply because that behavior does not affect you.
It has nothing to do with "pureness." I'm no more pure than you are. But the fact that both of us still make mistakes, in regards to sin does not alleviate the responsibility to both conduct our lives, as well as a flawed and fallen human being can, preserving our own moral values, as espoused in scriptures, and also striving to keep them in the rest of the Christian community as well, as well as warning others of the dangers of amoral behavior. It isn't a difficult concept, and you can't simply divorce yourself from that responsibility by saying it doesn't matter what you do because everyone else also does stuff that's wrong. Yes, they do, but there is a big, big difference between making an occasional slip-up , and doing things repetitively knowing full well it is wrong to behave that way, but trying to rationalize that bad behavior based on a secular concept of moral relativism. The Bible does not support the concept of moral relativism, and it does not support the concept of being able to knowingly advocate sinful behavior simply because that behavior does not affect you.
God says we do not have the right to murder another human being. A woman is murdering another human being when she has an abortion. That isn't a choice she gets to make. She had a choice before she chose to have sex. Once she has sex and is pregnant, she should take responsibility for her actions instead of murdering the child. What AxeElf is trying to point out is obvious. And you do exactly the same thing that every person who actually has no problem with abortion, even though they will kind of half-heartly bleat that they do does. You steadfastly refuse to talk about the child involved. You only talk about the woman and her "right to choose" as if she is the only person that exists in the equation. The murdered child doesn't get a choice in your view of the situation. The woman is making the choice for another person, and that choice only ends up one way. With a dead child. It isn't about taking a choice away from the woman. That ship sailed when she got pregnant. It's about giving a choice back to the person who's voice has been silenced through a bad law that forfeits that person's rights for the sake of convenience. You won't, as AxeElf aptly points out, take your line of thought out to it's logical conclusion. Because to do so would illustrate your position on the subject to be not only unbiblical, but also untenable, even without a spiritual component. Elective abortion does not give a woman the right to end a pregnancy. It gives her the right to murder another human being in cold blood. In a society which would enact such a blatantly unequal law, balanced only in the favor of one single person when two people are involved, no life is actually safe because the right for any group of people to live can suddenly be removed by the state by simply enacting a law. If you honestly believe that a woman should have the right to kill an unborn child, then, by extension, you should have no problem with anyone who wants to kill another human being for any reason. You can't and be internally consistent with your own value system. You are also at odds with your own denomination's position on the issue.