Concerning the gift of tongues

[Blain]

Also I wonder if the way my poems work is a type of speaking in tongues, I am a writer not so much a speaker so my words are best explained in written form all I know is that I feel God urging me to write I have no idea what is going to be written but once I start the words just pour out and I cannot get them out fast enough my fingers feel hot and the words just flow out

 

[Blain]

yes, the holy spirit can even play music on things like a piano.

that sounds interesting you play music right?

 

[Brasspen]

Sometimes I can feel the holy spirit with in me, making me pray. I kind of start getting a feeling like anxiety, if I then pray, then this feeling goes away.

Yes I do play music/learning, but he didn't with me. He did it with brother Denis.
I have been lacking me my music studies. I just sent my violin off to be auctioned. And, I need to get back to my piano studies.

 

[wattie]

I meant to ask about this part

1 Corinthians 14:2: "For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit" this seems to me to be the praying in toungues I have heard about

This may be helpful:

1 Corinthians 14 Meaning and Commentary - Scripture Savvy

What I actually believe about the gift of tongues is different to you.. but I think it's fruitful to examine what it really is in scripture.

 

[Blain]

This may be helpful:

1 Corinthians 14 Meaning and Commentary - Scripture Savvy

What I actually believe about the gift of tongues is different to you.. but I think it's fruitful to examine what it really is in scripture.

I tried to read it all but being legally blind it strains my eyes reading a lot of words could you give me a quick rundown of what you wanted me to glean from it? I am also going to be doing some research on the gift for myself to better understand it and I appreciate you trying to teach me as well

 

[wattie]

I tried to read it all but being legally blind it strains my eyes reading a lot of words could you give me a quick rundown of what you wanted me to glean from it? I am also going to be doing some research on the gift for myself to better understand it and I appreciate you trying to teach me as well

Key points... The tongues are identified to be practiced in a New Testament church setting.

It's meant for the local NT assembly of believers

They are inferior to prophecy

They should be interpreted for the edification of others in the church.

They should be understandable to the listeners...in their language.

They should be used by one or two..at the most three...and have an interpreter present.

The church at Corinth was in a port city.. affected by many different peoples who had a lot of paganism with worship of many gods.

They also practiced paganism tongues most likely.

They were competing with each other on the gifts .. trying to be superior to each other.

Whether speaking mysteries is condoned or not... the best way was to interpret the tongues for the edification of the church.

 

[Blain]

Key points... The tongues are identified to be practiced in a New Testament church setting.

It's meant for the local NT assembly of believers

They are inferior to prophecy

They should be interpreted for the edification of others in the church.

They should be understandable to the listeners...in their language.

They should be used by one or two..at the most three...and have an interpreter present.

The church at Corinth was in a port city.. affected by many different peoples who had a lot of paganism with worship of many gods.

They also practiced paganism tongues most likely.

They were competing with each other on the gifts .. trying to be superior to each other.

Whether speaking mysteries is condoned or not... the best way was to interpret the tongues for the edification of the church.

ok that sounds about right to me though I don't know for sure about praying in tongues however if it is for the edificcation of the church thenthat seems to be the main purpose of tongues

 

[GWH]

the gift of tongues seems to be a misunderstood gift by many in the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ? well it is for the edifying and empowering of the believers but it seems to be either a rare gift or just non existent

personally I have only experienced it a few times the real thing that is and if I could tell you what it feels like to experience the real thing well for me it felt like an invisible hand moving my heart like the awesome and mind blowing power of God was being poured into me like I mean poured big time it leaves you stunned in awe of God it fills you with this life and you can feel a fire or surge of power flowing inside you all of a sudden

However I have encountered so many fake tongues as well that I might as well not believe in it but because I believed in it even though I never saw or experienced it before that is what made it possible to experience the real thing believing without seeing for myself.

I also wonder if anyone here does operate in the gift, if so then what does it feel like to you when you speak in tongues and what have you seen it do to those who hear?

Just be sure that you are not trying to prove your faith by means of a miracle, which is what atheists demand. (MT 12:39, 2CR 5:7)

 

[Lamar]

the gift of tongues seems to be a misunderstood gift by many in the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ? well it is for the edifying and empowering of the believers but it seems to be either a rare gift or just non existent

personally I have only experienced it a few times the real thing that is and if I could tell you what it feels like to experience the real thing well for me it felt like an invisible hand moving my heart like the awesome and mind blowing power of God was being poured into me like I mean poured big time it leaves you stunned in awe of God it fills you with this life and you can feel a fire or surge of power flowing inside you all of a sudden

However I have encountered so many fake tongues as well that I might as well not believe in it but because I believed in it even though I never saw or experienced it before that is what made it possible to experience the real thing believing without seeing for myself.

I also wonder if anyone here does operate in the gift, if so then what does it feel like to you when you speak in tongues and what have you seen it do to those who hear?

Modern day claims of tongues are a far cry from that which is described in the New Testament.

New Testament tongues were legitimate examples of physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
Modern tongues are simply gibberish.

 

[Lamar]

Just be sure that you are not trying to prove your faith by means of a miracle, which is what atheists demand. (MT 12:39, 2CR 5:7)

Agreed. Lets not waste our ability to perform miracles on those unbelievers.

 

[Dino246]

Key points...
They also practiced paganism tongues most likely.

That is speculation and “adding to Scripture”. You aren’t helping when you’re misrepresenting what the Bible says.

 

[homwardbound]

this verse ca,e to mind 1 Corinthians 14:2: "For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit" this seems to me to be the praying in toungues I have heard about

When did Tongues, separate? The Tower of Babble
Confusion, God saw why they were building that Tower, it was to climb to heaven and kill God

therefore, later on God came down to earth in Son through the Virgin Mary to represent God Father himself as Son, Jesus as human, revealing God's true Love and mercy for us all to see in miracles of healing. That is done and the Tongues became known, as God can speak any language to anyone to tell them truth over the errors here on earth still.
Look at the day of Pentecost, there were how many people there, and how many different languages spoken then? That others did not understand, yet through the disciples, they heard in their own languages, the truth of Son risen for them to be new in Father, Daddy's, PaPa's Spirit and Truth to love all, not just a few anymore

As Father through risen Son put everyone in one accord, people hearing truth in their own languages, responded in belief or not, as is still happening today, you think?
If I do not understand another persons speaking, then I might begin too ask Daddy, for to hear, or go on in my own accord of flesh nature as I see many have and do that today, myself was included in. that for a while, to see what I needed, taking thinks literally, over Spiritual truth by God for us in risen Son to us to stand in, no matter what, thanks
John 4:23-24

 

[Lamar]

people hearing truth in their own languages,

No one is using modern day "tongues" as a means of sharing the truth. That is what tongues were used for during the 1st Century.

Today's modern day tongues is simply one of many discredited new age narratives.

 

[wattie]

That is speculation and “adding to Scripture”. You aren’t helping when you’re misrepresenting what the Bible says.

Well, many bible scholars agree the Corinthians had this issue. It's not something unclear.

Just type in Corinthians and paganism and see the amount of results on the internet. Not all are solid..but there is plenty about this.

A city affected by paganism would NOT have counterfeit, pagan tongues?

One example:

So, 1 Corinthians 14:18 was actually a rebuke to the Corinthians who had corrupted the gift of tongues. In fact, the tongues many of them spoke, at this time, was a counterfeit tongue. It was nothing but gibberish, and not the tongue given by the Holy Spirit.

They had brought into their assembly the pagan practice of the Temple of Aphrodite in the ancient city of Corinth. When the pagan worshipers at Corinth wanted to commune with their deity, they’d first get themselves drunk to stupor. It’s in this drunken state that they transcend into an altered state of consciousness. They start to shake and jerk violently, and they make ecstatic utterances i.e., speaking in tongues or gibberish.

 

[wattie]

https://www.africanplume.com/2023/06/i-speak-with-tongues-more-than-you-all.html?m=1

Is the reference.. but agreed on by many

 

[Brasspen]

ok that sounds about right to me though I don't know for sure about praying in tongues however if it is for the edificcation of the church thenthat seems to be the main purpose of tongues

This is what you have been doing with your poetry.

 

[GWH]

Agreed. Lets not waste our ability to perform miracles on those unbelievers.

...or on ourselves, who would be as wicked to demand a sign (MT 12:39, 2CR 5:7).

 

[Brasspen]

on ourselves, who would be as wicked to demand a sign (MT 12:39, 2CR 5:7).

Yes, do not temp the lord your God. We know that God cannot be tempted, so, what you expect from tempting God is, NOTHING.

 

[Blain]

Just be sure that you are not trying to prove your faith by means of a miracle, which is what atheists demand. (MT 12:39, 2CR 5:7)

no I am not trying to prove anything just wanting to understand the gift better

 

[Blain]

No one is using modern day "tongues" as a means of sharing the truth. That is what tongues were used for during the 1st Century.

Today's modern day tongues is simply one of many discredited new age narratives.

why do you think that is? is the gift of tongues just that rare or is it just so misunderstood that it is not ever used correctly?
With all the fake tongues I have expereienced I would by all means think it is not a gift for today but I have a few times seen and tasted the real thing myself so I know it is real but why is it so rare I wonder?