Comparing scripture with scripture
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the problem with this whole thing is that the Author of the OP stated:
God's chosen people from the Old Testament:
Yes, it's true. Under the 1st Covenant, God's chosen people were the Nation of Israel.
HOWEVER:
Now.......we are under the New Covenant, and God's chosen people are the CHURCH!
I have NO IDEA what this person is trying to assert with his comments. Someone else posted that he never came to a conclusion or some such, and I agree. He doesn't seem to ever make an affirmative statement of what the POINT of this Thread is IMO.
God's chosen people from the Old Testament:
Yes, it's true. Under the 1st Covenant, God's chosen people were the Nation of Israel.
HOWEVER:
Now.......we are under the New Covenant, and God's chosen people are the CHURCH!
I have NO IDEA what this person is trying to assert with his comments. Someone else posted that he never came to a conclusion or some such, and I agree. He doesn't seem to ever make an affirmative statement of what the POINT of this Thread is IMO.
Most people don't realize that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus as they did the prophets, to get rid of Him once and for all. Peter and John and the Apostles were shocked when they found the tomb empty. God Kept this mystery hidden, they were blind to the anticipated resurrection; why.
God had completed His task with the Jews at the Crucifixion and now directed His plan to phase 2.
Jesus said it is finished; then begins the next phase of God's plan which is to concentrate on the gentiles.
Acts 9: (KJV)
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
--these great things were the mysteries revealed for the first time to man kind.
This was one of His purposes. Consider ...
John 12:27; "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."
John 18:37; "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
There could be more.
John 12:27; "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."
John 18:37; "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
There could be more.
Salvation has nothing to do with the corrupted flesh of any nation. Abel is the first prophet, apostle and first martyr . He was not Jewish .That kind of idea of uses a Jew as a metaphor in parable happened long after.
Un-believing, faithless Jews were cut off when the time of reformation came. The time of the abomination of desolation in the holy place of faith had to to a end of that period of time used as a parable . In 2 Corinthian 5:16 we are commanded to know no man after the flesh (what the eyes see) As new creatures we are not considered Jew or gentile male not female . When the time of reformation had come .Our father re named his bride as more befitting to residence of the city of Christ named after her Husband Christ. His bride prepared for Him Christian, she represents all the nations .
Its more than comparing scripture to scripture .The letter of the law to the letter. . The spiritual understanding hid in the parable must be compared to the spiritual not see.(God's wisdom) Not the literal to the literal (Mans wisdom.)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:13-14
Un-believing, faithless Jews were cut off when the time of reformation came. The time of the abomination of desolation in the holy place of faith had to to a end of that period of time used as a parable . In 2 Corinthian 5:16 we are commanded to know no man after the flesh (what the eyes see) As new creatures we are not considered Jew or gentile male not female . When the time of reformation had come .Our father re named his bride as more befitting to residence of the city of Christ named after her Husband Christ. His bride prepared for Him Christian, she represents all the nations .
Its more than comparing scripture to scripture .The letter of the law to the letter. . The spiritual understanding hid in the parable must be compared to the spiritual not see.(God's wisdom) Not the literal to the literal (Mans wisdom.)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:13-14
If we say we believe in the Lord, and we have faith in His word that means that we do not dispute his word. In the word it tells us the covenants are everlasting, and many of today's Christians say it is not, that the old covenant is cancelled and if it is cancelled then we cannot believe in the word of the Lord. The word calls it everlasting.
We are told it is obsolete, that under the new covenant we do not need elements of the old, but it doesn't say that the old is not there any more.
If we believe in the word of the Lord, then it seems to me that word is truth. If the word tells us something is true in all generations, if it is everlasting, we have to deny the word to not believe it.
We are told God is eternal, that God does not change. So then old testament, new testament, the word is not old and new but is eternal.
We are told it is obsolete, that under the new covenant we do not need elements of the old, but it doesn't say that the old is not there any more.
If we believe in the word of the Lord, then it seems to me that word is truth. If the word tells us something is true in all generations, if it is everlasting, we have to deny the word to not believe it.
We are told God is eternal, that God does not change. So then old testament, new testament, the word is not old and new but is eternal.
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Jesus is and always will be the Savior of the World.
by believing that Jesus suffered and die, was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father ; this is the Gospel of Grace.
His Blood cleanse us from all unrighteousness
if you believe this gospel you will be save from God's coming wrath.
secondly Peter asked Jesus about His reward:
Matthew 19:
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Christians are members of the Body of Christ But many Jews will rule with Christ in the Kingdom.
by believing that Jesus suffered and die, was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father ; this is the Gospel of Grace.
His Blood cleanse us from all unrighteousness
if you believe this gospel you will be save from God's coming wrath.
secondly Peter asked Jesus about His reward:
Matthew 19:
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Christians are members of the Body of Christ But many Jews will rule with Christ in the Kingdom.
I do not see the connection in our posts. I am saying I think it is right to believe in scripture and you respond with the scripture that Jesus saves. I agree but how is that answer to the scripture that some things are everlasting? Unless your point is that we should not believe any scripture except that one? I agree it is the center. Giving us Christ was the very first thing the Lord did for man. But knowing this is not a good reason to not listen to all God tells us.
From the beginning God Gave instructions to Adam. 2000 year of chaos follows then the flood. then the tow of babel.
Then God chose a Syrian named Abram; made a covenant with him and his decedents.
Then came Jesus The Son. He came to fulfill the promises made to the fathers. (among many other accomplishment)
Romans 15:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
When He said it is finished as He died on the Cross He had completed Roman 18:8 and this marked new beginning. The curtains were split in 2 in the temple; all changed.
Now he has new instuctions:
Acts 9:
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
These Great thing God will show Paul are Mysteries hidden before the creation of the world.
God make and keeps all promises, even to the Jews.
when Paul begins with "I do not want you to be ignorant.... a mystery... find them and study.
Blessings
Then God chose a Syrian named Abram; made a covenant with him and his decedents.
Then came Jesus The Son. He came to fulfill the promises made to the fathers. (among many other accomplishment)
Romans 15:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
When He said it is finished as He died on the Cross He had completed Roman 18:8 and this marked new beginning. The curtains were split in 2 in the temple; all changed.
Now he has new instuctions:
Acts 9:
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
These Great thing God will show Paul are Mysteries hidden before the creation of the world.
God make and keeps all promises, even to the Jews.
when Paul begins with "I do not want you to be ignorant.... a mystery... find them and study.
Blessings
You are still ignoring God's word to honor what God tells us is everlasting.
You say now we have what is new, but God is eternal not a new God. God gave his plan for our redemption as soon as evil was let loose in our world. That plan was there for atonement and Christ made it complete. It is not new, it is completed.
When we accept Gods plan for our redemption we are made righteous through grace. At that time we accept our righteousness through Christ and give Him our will to not sully that righteousness best we can. We listen to the Lord that you are ignoring. By ignoring God's words you are not accepting your righteousness through Christ. You haven't given Christ your whole self for forgiveness but keeping your right to ignore the Lord.
You say now we have what is new, but God is eternal not a new God. God gave his plan for our redemption as soon as evil was let loose in our world. That plan was there for atonement and Christ made it complete. It is not new, it is completed.
When we accept Gods plan for our redemption we are made righteous through grace. At that time we accept our righteousness through Christ and give Him our will to not sully that righteousness best we can. We listen to the Lord that you are ignoring. By ignoring God's words you are not accepting your righteousness through Christ. You haven't given Christ your whole self for forgiveness but keeping your right to ignore the Lord.
Your comments continue to be sporadic posts of Scriptures.........but they do not all connect to a single Theme....
Nothing wrong with those Scriptures............I am just not sure what you are trying to relate.
This is a common problem with new members who come here in an attempt to Teach Truth to the rest of the Members here, some of whom are learned Teachers and Theologians............others are quite adept in their understanding of Scripture......
Mayhaps I could take a stab at trying to offer this condensed version of Gods Salvation Plan for ALL mankind.
God the Father:
God OF man. God desired a personal relationship with His children. However, it was impossible for them to be physically in His Presence and survive the encounter...........Thus.......burning bushes and such.
God the Son:
God AS man. In order to achieve this personal relationship, God took upon Himself the form of man and came down to earth to present the Gospel to all men (the jew first, then the gentiles). Yes, Christ DID preach to gentiles........woman at the well........so NOT ONLY THE JEWS. With His death, burial and resurrection, He established His Salvation Plan through the precious blood He shed on Calvary's Cross that paid the price for ALL MANKIND who would seek Him to be Lord and Saviour of their lives.
God the Holy Spirit:
God WITHIN man. God promised to send the Comforter who would dwell WITHIN man, and THIS was the completion of His desire to have a living personal relationship with His children.
IF folks understand this, then they will understand Scripture as it relates to God's Salvation Plan for ALL mankind............
Nothing wrong with those Scriptures............I am just not sure what you are trying to relate.
This is a common problem with new members who come here in an attempt to Teach Truth to the rest of the Members here, some of whom are learned Teachers and Theologians............others are quite adept in their understanding of Scripture......
Mayhaps I could take a stab at trying to offer this condensed version of Gods Salvation Plan for ALL mankind.
God the Father:
God OF man. God desired a personal relationship with His children. However, it was impossible for them to be physically in His Presence and survive the encounter...........Thus.......burning bushes and such.
God the Son:
God AS man. In order to achieve this personal relationship, God took upon Himself the form of man and came down to earth to present the Gospel to all men (the jew first, then the gentiles). Yes, Christ DID preach to gentiles........woman at the well........so NOT ONLY THE JEWS. With His death, burial and resurrection, He established His Salvation Plan through the precious blood He shed on Calvary's Cross that paid the price for ALL MANKIND who would seek Him to be Lord and Saviour of their lives.
God the Holy Spirit:
God WITHIN man. God promised to send the Comforter who would dwell WITHIN man, and THIS was the completion of His desire to have a living personal relationship with His children.
IF folks understand this, then they will understand Scripture as it relates to God's Salvation Plan for ALL mankind............
This post is such a wonderful idea, it is how I study scripture comparing scriptures. I went back through the beginning of the posts and they are bewildering to me, also. I tried to respond to the idea of comparing scripture and that fell flat. I thought it was because you were purposely ignoring all but the heart of scripture, our salvation through Christ. I'm sorry.
All Israel shall be saved means the kingdom shall be restored to Israel on earth, and God said He is going to make a full end of all Gentile nations, but will not make a full end of Israel although they will be punished in part.
The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to them at that time, and He said the Father will do it in the future.
God said He will gather all the Jews to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again, which means they will always be in the truth from that time forward, and the heathen shall know that Israel went in to captivity because of their sins against God, but He had mercy on them, and restored Israel like He always does.
League of Nations, United Nations, and United Religions have been operating for a lot of years, and leaders leave and new leaders take their place, so eventually they will have leaders in the nations that are in agreement for a peace plan for the world.
And now they are going forward with their peace plan.
United Nations Secretary General is calling all nations to promote equality, and to work together for peace, and to stop the problems on earth, and to link everyone digitally so all nations, and people are connected.
When the nations come together as one and work for peace on earth then there will be a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians, and the Gentile nations will cause all Jews to go to Israel, and eventually God will turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to them at that time, and He said the Father will do it in the future.
God said He will gather all the Jews to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again, which means they will always be in the truth from that time forward, and the heathen shall know that Israel went in to captivity because of their sins against God, but He had mercy on them, and restored Israel like He always does.
League of Nations, United Nations, and United Religions have been operating for a lot of years, and leaders leave and new leaders take their place, so eventually they will have leaders in the nations that are in agreement for a peace plan for the world.
And now they are going forward with their peace plan.
United Nations Secretary General is calling all nations to promote equality, and to work together for peace, and to stop the problems on earth, and to link everyone digitally so all nations, and people are connected.
When the nations come together as one and work for peace on earth then there will be a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians, and the Gentile nations will cause all Jews to go to Israel, and eventually God will turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.