colloidal silver for Crohn's

[Sherril]

They use silver for burns and to fight infections also in hospitals the cream for burns and its heals wonderfully...

 

[Desertsrose]

The Mayo clinic has done much to help humanity over the last 140 or so years. I generally respect them. They have made discoveries in medicine treatments, surgical procedures and isolation of life saving elements. They have won many nobel prizes.
Without their work we would have a considerable amount of decreased knowledge about certain medicinal components.

That being said, they are still at the core a conventional medical establishment. They own and run hospitals.
That in itself is also not a bad thing.

Just keep in mind that they are firmly entrenched in the conventional western medical system.
Here is a quote from one of their articles.

"How can alternative medicine help people with cancer?
Alternative cancer treatments may not play a direct role in curing your cancer..."

I know this to be patently false. This is a example of where their paradigm is at.

I am saying all this to call you out on your reasoning of how you come to certain conclusions about health information.
It seems to me that you just skim the service while eschewing any deep dives. You seem to look at the small picture rather then the big picture.
You seem to take a stance that so and/or so doctor or so and so clinic has a certain reputation and therefore everything they put out must be correct, without looking at and considering conflicting info and studies and/or having a basic knowledge of chemical science and/or human physiology and biology.

it is a combination of either laziness or naivete that seems to compel you.

It is not only you, I have seen it many times. I feel though that for the good of those reading this thread that I should point out that your advice about colloidal silver is at best misleading, and at it's worst can be the impetus to prevent someone from using it to heal a ailment they may have.

I have had my clients use CS many times with good results and no side effects. Same with cocnut oil.

It is important to view the treatment as a whole, weighing the pros and cons.
This is what a good doctor would do when prescribing. Does the benefits outweigh the side effects?

This is what a naturalpathic practitioner will also do. The big difference is that the NP has far less concern regarding the weighing of risk/rewards regarding what he or she is advising the client to use, because by nature the very compounds that is suggested are harmonious with the bodies biological physiology.

Frankly, I think your advice in this site about certain health issues are misleading and can sometimes result in out right tragic results for those who may follow them.

You are correct on many things, but are also wrong on more then a few.

I urge you do a deeper analysis of some of the subjects you are giving your opinion on.

Hi Joseph,

I appreciate the fact that you research and follow wherever your research takes you. But don't assume your research is any better than someone else's.

Your comment is misleading here:

"How can alternative medicine help people with cancer?
Alternative cancer treatments may not play a direct role in curing your cancer..

May not is much different from will not. It leaves you with the idea that it may. In other words only what can be proven can be classified as curing cancer. And so far there's no proof.

And they support and recommend what they consider safe alternative treatments for disease.

As you know I follow Dr Fuhrman's diet and recommendations. You may not agree with him, but I would respect his opinion over yours because he is a doctor and because he dedicates his life to nutritional research.

He continually follows the lastest studies and new research that's continually taking place. If a new reputable study comes along that contradicts an older study, he'll change where many are too proud to even consider accepting a newer study. He's constantly changing his supplement formulations for that very reason.

He believes nutrition can help in treating cancer patients and is more open to alternative medicine that have studies to back it up.

And his reasoning with the coconut oil is that just because there may be some benefit in some foods, it's still a processed food that gives lots of calories with little benefit nutritionally. In other words, eat the coconut and not the processed oil, eat the nuts and not the processed oil.

Coconut oil has so much saturated fat - the small amount of MCL fat can't compensate for the high amount of the saturated fat.

The foundation of Dr Fuhrman's work is H=N/C. Heath equals nutrition over calories. This is what I believe and follow.

As to the OP, since colloidal silver can be dangerous, the harm it can do needs to be stated. It's not true that it's harmless. One does a disservice to another's health if/when you avoid mentioning them.

That's also one of the cautions with supplemental health care. Medications list the side effects. When we move on to alternative treatments such as the colloidal silver, there's no side effect warnings that come with it. Caution should be welcomed by anyone.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hi Joseph,

I appreciate the fact that you research and follow wherever your research takes you. But don't assume your research is any better than someone else's.

Your comment is misleading here:

"How can alternative medicine help people with cancer?
Alternative cancer treatments may not play a direct role in curing your cancer..

May not is much different from will not. It leaves you with the idea that it may. In other words only what can be proven can be classified as curing cancer. And so far there's no proof.

And they support and recommend what they consider safe alternative treatments for disease.

As you know I follow Dr Fuhrman's diet and recommendations. You may not agree with him, but I would respect his opinion over yours because he is a doctor and because he dedicates his life to nutritional research.

He continually follows the lastest studies and new research that's continually taking place. If a new reputable study comes along that contradicts an older study, he'll change where many are too proud to even consider accepting a newer study. He's constantly changing his supplement formulations for that very reason.

He believes nutrition can help in treating cancer patients and is more open to alternative medicine that have studies to back it up.

And his reasoning with the coconut oil is that just because there may be some benefit in some foods, it's still a processed food that gives lots of calories with little benefit nutritionally. In other words, eat the coconut and not the processed oil, eat the nuts and not the processed oil.

Coconut oil has so much saturated fat - the small amount of MCL fat can't compensate for the high amount of the saturated fat.

The foundation of Dr Fuhrman's work is H=N/C. Heath equals nutrition over calories. This is what I believe and follow.

As to the OP, since colloidal silver can be dangerous, the harm it can do needs to be stated. It's not true that it's harmless. One does a disservice to another's health if/when you avoid mentioning them.

That's also one of the cautions with supplemental health care. Medications list the side effects. When we move on to alternative treatments such as the colloidal silver, there's no side effect warnings that come with it. Caution should be welcomed by anyone.

Actually my research probably is better then yours.
First because I have studied in this area and practiced in it. I have 25 years experience doing it and studying it in one form or another.
I have advised people about using these products and seen the results. Literally many hundreds of people. I discuss these things with other nutritionists. Combined we have administered to tens of thousands of people. If you have this experience, then pardon my assuming you don't.
Second, I have gone to school for this and read thousands of hours of books on these subjects not to mentions thousands, actually probably tens of thousands, of combined reading, talking and viewing on physiology, biology and basic chemistry.
If you have done all this, then again pardon me for assuming you have not.

If you have not, then yes, I am more qualified then you and can do better research because of the knowledge and experience I have on and with this subject.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hi Joseph,

I appreciate the fact that you research and follow wherever your research takes you. But don't assume your research is any better than someone else's.

Your comment is misleading here:

"How can alternative medicine help people with cancer?
Alternative cancer treatments may not play a direct role in curing your cancer..

May not is much different from will not. It leaves you with the idea that it may. In other words only what can be proven can be classified as curing cancer. And so far there's no proof.

And they support and recommend what they consider safe alternative treatments for disease.

As you know I follow Dr Fuhrman's diet and recommendations. You may not agree with him, but I would respect his opinion over yours because he is a doctor and because he dedicates his life to nutritional research.

He continually follows the lastest studies and new research that's continually taking place. If a new reputable study comes along that contradicts an older study, he'll change where many are too proud to even consider accepting a newer study. He's constantly changing his supplement formulations for that very reason.

He believes nutrition can help in treating cancer patients and is more open to alternative medicine that have studies to back it up.

And his reasoning with the coconut oil is that just because there may be some benefit in some foods, it's still a processed food that gives lots of calories with little benefit nutritionally. In other words, eat the coconut and not the processed oil, eat the nuts and not the processed oil.

Coconut oil has so much saturated fat - the small amount of MCL fat can't compensate for the high amount of the saturated fat.

The foundation of Dr Fuhrman's work is H=N/C. Heath equals nutrition over calories. This is what I believe and follow.

As to the OP, since colloidal silver can be dangerous, the harm it can do needs to be stated. It's not true that it's harmless. One does a disservice to another's health if/when you avoid mentioning them.

That's also one of the cautions with supplemental health care. Medications list the side effects. When we move on to alternative treatments such as the colloidal silver, there's no side effect warnings that come with it. Caution should be welcomed by anyone.

Also, I do not know why you say I do not agree with Dr. Furhrman. I agree with most of what he does. He is in the top percentile in this field.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hi Joseph,

I appreciate the fact that you research and follow wherever your research takes you. But don't assume your research is any better than someone else's.

Your comment is misleading here:

"How can alternative medicine help people with cancer?
Alternative cancer treatments may not play a direct role in curing your cancer..

May not is much different from will not. It leaves you with the idea that it may. In other words only what can be proven can be classified as curing cancer. And so far there's no proof.

And they support and recommend what they consider safe alternative treatments for disease.

As you know I follow Dr Fuhrman's diet and recommendations. You may not agree with him, but I would respect his opinion over yours because he is a doctor and because he dedicates his life to nutritional research.

He continually follows the lastest studies and new research that's continually taking place. If a new reputable study comes along that contradicts an older study, he'll change where many are too proud to even consider accepting a newer study. He's constantly changing his supplement formulations for that very reason.

He believes nutrition can help in treating cancer patients and is more open to alternative medicine that have studies to back it up.

And his reasoning with the coconut oil is that just because there may be some benefit in some foods, it's still a processed food that gives lots of calories with little benefit nutritionally. In other words, eat the coconut and not the processed oil, eat the nuts and not the processed oil.

Coconut oil has so much saturated fat - the small amount of MCL fat can't compensate for the high amount of the saturated fat.

The foundation of Dr Fuhrman's work is H=N/C. Heath equals nutrition over calories. This is what I believe and follow.

As to the OP, since colloidal silver can be dangerous, the harm it can do needs to be stated. It's not true that it's harmless. One does a disservice to another's health if/when you avoid mentioning them.

That's also one of the cautions with supplemental health care. Medications list the side effects. When we move on to alternative treatments such as the colloidal silver, there's no side effect warnings that come with it. Caution should be welcomed by anyone.

You do not understand how the saturated fat in coconut oil works. It is not like the fat in animal products. This is where DR. F and I veer off.
Depending on your diet it will not even effect cholesterol levels.
It helps lower LDL and rasise HDL in some cases.
Like I said a few months ago, if you have not tried it, then trying to convince you is like talking to someone about the bible who has never read it.
I know it works. I know what it does. I know that in moderate amounts it is not harmful. I know it has many, many amazing benefits.
I have many clients to attest to it.
When someone makes hard and fast rules without weighing the benefits, I think they are making a mistake.
I respect you right of choice, but you and Fuhrman are missing out on a great healing food on this particular issue.

For further testimony on this, contact the living foods institute in Atlanta GA. I have been there. They are a holistic outfit that treats many cancer patients. Ask them what they think of coconut oil.

Your mind is so closed on this subject I doubt you will even call them, and if you do, probably still will not believe.

 

[Desertsrose]

Also, I do not know why you say I do not agree with Dr. Furhrman. I agree with most of what he does. He is in the top percentile in this field.

Maybe on some levels you do, but so far with the topics I've brought up, you disagree with him.

In a previous post, you used many words to prove him wrong on coconut oil and you did the same with soy milk, tofu. I also mentioned it's better to eat the food rather than the processed fat from the food and you didn't agree with that.

And now here he recommends to stay away from colloidal silver and you don't agree with that either.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hi Joseph,

I appreciate the fact that you research and follow wherever your research takes you. But don't assume your research is any better than someone else's.

Your comment is misleading here:

"How can alternative medicine help people with cancer?
Alternative cancer treatments may not play a direct role in curing your cancer..

May not is much different from will not. It leaves you with the idea that it may. In other words only what can be proven can be classified as curing cancer. And so far there's no proof.

And they support and recommend what they consider safe alternative treatments for disease.

As you know I follow Dr Fuhrman's diet and recommendations. You may not agree with him, but I would respect his opinion over yours because he is a doctor and because he dedicates his life to nutritional research.

He continually follows the lastest studies and new research that's continually taking place. If a new reputable study comes along that contradicts an older study, he'll change where many are too proud to even consider accepting a newer study. He's constantly changing his supplement formulations for that very reason.

He believes nutrition can help in treating cancer patients and is more open to alternative medicine that have studies to back it up.

And his reasoning with the coconut oil is that just because there may be some benefit in some foods, it's still a processed food that gives lots of calories with little benefit nutritionally. In other words, eat the coconut and not the processed oil, eat the nuts and not the processed oil.

Coconut oil has so much saturated fat - the small amount of MCL fat can't compensate for the high amount of the saturated fat.

The foundation of Dr Fuhrman's work is H=N/C. Heath equals nutrition over calories. This is what I believe and follow.

As to the OP, since colloidal silver can be dangerous, the harm it can do needs to be stated. It's not true that it's harmless. One does a disservice to another's health if/when you avoid mentioning them.

That's also one of the cautions with supplemental health care. Medications list the side effects. When we move on to alternative treatments such as the colloidal silver, there's no side effect warnings that come with it. Caution should be welcomed by anyone.

When did I ever state caution was something to throw out the window?
All I said is that it is a fairly safe element and that even water can be toxic if too much is ingested.
Why didn't you answer that post?
You implying that CS is dangerous is the true danger here.
Your hurting impressionable people from using something that may be a benefit to them, as your doing with the coconut oil.
Your doing more of a dis-service then a service.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Maybe on some levels you do, but so far with the topics I've brought up, you disagree with him.

In a previous post, you used many words to prove him wrong on coconut oil and you did the same with soy milk, tofu. I also mentioned it's better to eat the food rather than the processed fat from the food and you didn't agree with that.

And now here he recommends to stay away from colloidal silver and you don't agree with that either.

Your making a serious error by routinely eating soy products. Your messing with your hormones.
The whole food is almost always better. It is better around 98% to 99% of the time. In the case of certain oils, especially coconut oil, this is an exception.

Let me ask you something; what is your view of colonics, supplementation and oxygen therapy?
Do you consider those processed and unnatural like oils?
What about honey? It is processed by bees. It does not grow in the earth? Is that to processed for you?
Do you drink coffee or use chocolate or cocoa? Does Fuhrman advocate these? I am curious, not being sarcastic.

 

[Desertsrose]

Actually my research probably is better then yours.
First because I have studied in this area and practiced in it. I have 25 years experience doing it and studying it in one form or another.
I have advised people about using these products and seen the results. Literally many hundreds of people. I discuss these things with other nutritionists. Combined we have administered to tens of thousands of people. If you have this experience, then pardon my assuming you don't.
Second, I have gone to school for this and read thousands of hours of books on these subjects not to mentions thousands, actually probably tens of thousands, of combined reading, talking and viewing on physiology, biology and basic chemistry.
If you have done all this, then again pardon me for assuming you have not.

If you have not, then yes, I am more qualified then you and can do better research because of the knowledge and experience I have on and with this subject.

Hi Joseph, I'm not in any way implying I have more knowledge than you on any one or more aspects of nutrition.

Yes, I've studied some. But my some could be way more accurate than another person's years of study if they are focusing on wrong information. But that was not the issue of my post at all. It's making sure the information we have is correct.

So all I'm saying is that I trust Dr. Fuhrman over your research for the reasons I gave in the previous post. And I also would probably follow Mayo's recommendations on cancer and Cancer Treatment Centers of America's recommendations. They use some alternative medicine, but probably not what you'd recommend.

If I hurt your feelings, that was not the intent. But you are not a doctor.

 

[Desertsrose]

Whatever, Joseph. I don't like arguing.

You have your opinions. I have mine. We'll agree to disagree. Okay?

 

[JosephsDreams]

Fine.
My feelings are not hurt. It was not about that at all.
Also I know I am not a doctor. Nor did I imply that. Doctors have about 25 hours of nutrition classes in school. I do not mean in a year, I am talking about in the whole time they go to medical school. Because of big pharma and big med, they steer clear of that subject.
You should look up the early 20th century history of how this all developed. You would be shocked.
I do believe that most qualified nutritionists and ND's are far more suited and well trained for this then most doctors. How can they not be?

So if you want to swim in those traditional medical waters that's your prerogative.

Yes, you can possibly be more correct doing a little studying then someone who has done a lot of it. That could be true, but rarely the case though. You may be a mensa or a genius and you can pick up things quickly with only a little info. I don't know, but your posts here seem to reflect that you really don't know a lot about this field.
Granted, you know more then a lot of people do, but still not really well versed in it. And if you feel that way, then why even follow a doctors advice and put so much weight on the Mayo clinics studies if you think you can study little and know more then those who do much?

I am just trying to give sound advice here. To you and others.
I am not adversarial either. I like harmony too.

You just are off on a lot of nutritional things is all I am saying.
Yet the internet is famous for this.
Anyone without the qualifications can say anything and project like they know what they are talking about. This is the internet and why it is a double edged sword.

The saying is "A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous Thing", by Alexander Pope from his "An Essay on Criticism" from 1709 comes to mind.

That can hurt and mislead people.
When it comes to the global net, that's just what it is. But here on this little chat site, I am trying to get you to avoid doing that.
I do not know what else to say. You seem to be convinced without either/or studying more, or trying these things out yourself, or researching them more. I have done all three. I think that's tunnel vision, and your short changing not only yourself and those in your sphere of influence, but those on this forum too.

Sure though, lets let it go. I have said the last I want to say about this.
Just know that if you put something out there that I know is misleading, I am going to respectfully say it and state why. Without prejudice or malice.

 

[Desertsrose]

They use silver for burns and to fight infections also in hospitals the cream for burns and its heals wonderfully...

Hi Sherril, This type of silver is different from colloidal silver.

From wikipedia:
The medical uses of silver include the use of silver in wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices.[SUP][1][/SUP] While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] there is little evidence to support such use.[SUP][5][/SUP]There is tentative evidence that silver coatings on endotracheal breathing tubes may reduce the incidence of ventilator-associated pneumonia.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Silver generally has low toxicity, and minimal risk is expected when silver is used in approved medical applications.[SUP][7][/SUP] Alternative medicine products such as colloidal silver are not recognized as safe or effective by the FDA.[SUP][8][/SUP]