Thanks for that. That saves me the trouble of looking for itHere (<= link) is the thread in question
'Churches' being burned down in Canada
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It is quite an old thread (from 2012; inactive for almost 4 years). You are welcome
The gotcha moment was when you pivoted from dead children to Catholic not being Christian. That's when it became apparent what your real aim was.
Regarding the 700 kids that that were buried at the church....
1. If I was in the business of murdering people, I sure wouldn't bury them in my backyard.
2. There were all kinds of diseases and whatnot that killed a lot of people. If I ran a hospital in my boarding school, and I was dealing with some rampant disease or something, then I might indeed also have a cemetery where I would bury the dead. That strikes me as way more believable.
3. I don't believe fake news from fake news sources. They are proven again and again to be liars.
4. There is anti-christian bias in all this "news".
But despite all that, if there was murder, then it should be punished with brutal ruthlessness. I just think that there's not been any real evidence of murder yet. Just hysterical cries of genocide making the whole issue harder to decipher.
So some old graves are found on what is currently church property. No one is alive today to testify about what happened.
Where is the evidence to establish foul play? Anything that's produced is what is known as circumstancial evidence. It's like finding a lot of smoke with no source of fire. Clearly something happened and we see the aftermath, but we don't know why.
This is why rational and stable adults need to take back control of the media narrative. The media mobilizes the popular mind not by appealing to facts, but by inflaming passions and forming opinions.
This is just a hit piece on the church whether it's true or not.
The Vatican has committed these atrocities across the planet for centuries because they feel like they have a divine right to do so. Despite the fact that absolutely zero of their doctrine is biblical
1907: Dr. Peter Bryce, Medical Inspector for the Department of Indian Affairs, tours the residential schools of western Canada and British Columbia and writes a scathing report on the "criminal" health conditions there. Bryce reports that native children are being deliberately infected with diseases like tuberculosis, and are left to die untreated, as a regular practice. He cites an average death rate of 40% in the residential schools.
November 15, 1907: Bryce’s report is quoted in The Ottawa Citizen’s headline.
1908-1909: Duncan Campbell Scott, Superintendent of Indian Affairs, suppresses Bryce’s report and conducts a smear and cover-up campaign regarding its findings. Bryce is expelled from the civil service.
November, 1910: A joint agreement between the federal government and the Roman Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian and Methodist churches establishes the structure of Indian Residential Schools and the contractual obligations of churches running them. Duncan Campbell Scott refers to the policy of the government as that of seeking a “final solution to the Indian Problem”.
May, 1919: Despite an escalating death rate of Indian children in residential schools from tuberculosis - in some cases as high as 75% - Duncan Campbell Scott abolishes the post of Medical Inspector for Indian residential schools. Within two years, deaths due to tuberculosis have tripled in residential schools. ...
1996-7: Further evidence of murder, sterilisations and other atrocities at coastal residential schools are documented by Kevin Annett and native activists in public forums in Vancouver. The number of lawsuits brought against the churches and government by residential school survivors climbs to over 5,000 across Canada.
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November 15, 1907: Bryce’s report is quoted in The Ottawa Citizen’s headline.
1908-1909: Duncan Campbell Scott, Superintendent of Indian Affairs, suppresses Bryce’s report and conducts a smear and cover-up campaign regarding its findings. Bryce is expelled from the civil service.
November, 1910: A joint agreement between the federal government and the Roman Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian and Methodist churches establishes the structure of Indian Residential Schools and the contractual obligations of churches running them. Duncan Campbell Scott refers to the policy of the government as that of seeking a “final solution to the Indian Problem”.
May, 1919: Despite an escalating death rate of Indian children in residential schools from tuberculosis - in some cases as high as 75% - Duncan Campbell Scott abolishes the post of Medical Inspector for Indian residential schools. Within two years, deaths due to tuberculosis have tripled in residential schools. ...
1996-7: Further evidence of murder, sterilisations and other atrocities at coastal residential schools are documented by Kevin Annett and native activists in public forums in Vancouver. The number of lawsuits brought against the churches and government by residential school survivors climbs to over 5,000 across Canada.
Excerpted from this page.
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I'm from Canada. I KNOW this is true.
I suppose you also believe blacks were never slaves. you sound very arrogant to make the comment above. I begin to understand why some folks who are not white feel the way they do.
BWAHAHAHA!!! The Canadian HOLOCAUST!! GENOCIDE in Canada!!! There it is again! Even the dude walked that one back. But your guys here are rolling with it? There must be some money to be made off of this. I can smell a scam from a mile away. Guaranteed. If there's not some sort of money to some supposed victims here, I'll publicly apologize to the dude and whoever else is burning down these churches.
It's good to hear a perspective from someone who lives there and actually knows what's going on.
Yeah I admitted that I used the wrong choice of words when I said genocide but my murder argument still stands
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I could scream at your display of ignorance and pompous ignoring of the facts. it was ongoing in the 70's. maybe if some of you Americans did not think you were the only people in the world who matter, you would actually make an attempt to inform youselves.
do you even know where Canada is?
Sue Caribou contracts pneumonia once a year, like clockwork. The recurring illness stems from her childhood years at one of Canada’s horrific residential schools. “I was thrown into a cold shower every night, sometimes after being raped”, the frail 50-year-old indigenous mother of six said, matter-of-factly.
Caribou was snatched from her parents’ house in 1972 by the state-funded, church-run Indian Residential School system that brutally attempted to assimilate native children for over a century. She was only seven years old. “We had to stand like soldiers while singing the national anthem, otherwise, we would be beaten up”, she recalled.
denial sent millions of Jews and other ethnicities to the gas chambers. but that's just history I guess. come to think of it, many don't believe that happened either
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Caribou said Catholic missionaries physically and sexually abused her until 1979 at the Guy Hill institution, in the east of the province of Manitoba. She said she was called a “dog”, was forced to eat rotten vegetables and was forbidden to speak her native language of Cree.
“I vowed to myself that if I ever get out alive of that horrible place, I would speak up and fight for our rights”, she said.
Sue Caribou said Catholic missionaries abused her until 1979 at the Guy Hill institution.
Her voice and that of 150,000 other residential school pupils was finally heard across the nation this week as Canada faced one of the darkest chapters in its history. The head of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), set up to examine the school system’s legacy, did not mince his words when he unveiled his landmark report. “Canada clearly participated in a period of cultural genocide”, declared Justice Murray Sinclair to cries and applause of survivors in Ottawa. Although prime minister Stephen Harper apologised for the school system in 2008 (as did the Roman Catholic Church in 2009), his government has always denied that it was a form of genocide.
Many survivors who gathered in Ottawa felt empowered for the first time in their life after hearing findings of the six-year-long commission.
“It feels like our story is validated at last and is out there for the world to see”, said a tearful 58 year-old Cindy Tom-Lindley, who is executive director of the Indian Residential School Survivor Society in British Columbia. “We were too scared as children to speak out. So to give our testimonies to the commission was liberating and emotional.”
As many as 6,000 children died in residential institutions, which ran from 1876 to 1996.
The accurate figure could be much higher however, since the government stopped recording aboriginal students’ deaths in 1920 in light of the alarming statistics. Caribou believes that dozens of pupils perished at the institution where she was detained. “Remains were found all over the fields. But numbers do not reflect the reality. Many of my friends committed suicide after their release”, said Caribou, who said she was frustrated that an inquiry did not take place twenty years ago, after the last of the residential schools closed
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Justice Sinclair, who was the second aboriginal judge to be appointed in Canada in 1988, made clear the connection between residential schools and the social ills plaguing the First Nations today, namely unemployment, domestic violence, the over-representation of aboriginal children in foster care and the high homicide rate of indigenous women.
“I didn’t learn anything at the Guy Hill school except the “Our Father” prayer and the national anthem”, said Caribou. “My children taught me how to read and write. I’ve been a housekeeper all my life because of my lack of education and poor health”.
The hopeful mood among survivors in the capital was met with silence by the government, despite urgent calls to act on the commission’s 94 recommendations. Prime Minister Harper did not utter a word while he attended the emotional closing ceremony of the TRC on Thursday, nor did he announce any measures that would further reconciliation for survivors and close the economic gap between First Nations and non-aboriginal Canadians.
Since coming into power in 2006, the Conservative government has repeatedly rejected some long-standing demands by First Nations, such as holding a national enquiry on the missing and murdered aboriginal women, a measure also recommended by Justice Sinclair.
A group of female students and a nun pose in a classroom at Cross Lake Indian Residential School in Cross Lake, Manitoba in February 1940. Photograph: Reuters
“If Stephen Harper’s apology for residential schools is not followed by actions, it will prove to be meaningless”, warned Perry Bellegarde, Chief of the Assembly of First Nations. Bellegarde said Harper should move quickly on certain policy proposals, such as promoting the use of native languages and introducing aboriginal rights in the school curriculums across the nation. Bellegarde also stressed that more funding is desperately needed for equal education on reserves, where the government spends 3,000 dollars less per student than the national average.
The upcoming federal elections this October might still turn the tide in favour of the First Nations. Leaders of the two opposition parties – the New Democratic Party and the Liberal Party – have both promised to act on key policies if elected on October 19. There has been growing support in the general population for aboriginal requests, with three quarters of Canadians in favour of a public enquiry on violence against indigenous women who are four times more at risk of being murdered. NDP’s Thomas Mulcair has pledged that he would set up one within days of being elected.
Tom-Lindley hopes that the awareness and political pressure on the Harper government will continue to grow until Election Day.
“Canadians are starting to get the message that this is not only an aboriginal issue, it concerns everyone. We have found our voice and we will not keep quiet anymore.”
“I didn’t learn anything at the Guy Hill school except the “Our Father” prayer and the national anthem”, said Caribou. “My children taught me how to read and write. I’ve been a housekeeper all my life because of my lack of education and poor health”.
The hopeful mood among survivors in the capital was met with silence by the government, despite urgent calls to act on the commission’s 94 recommendations. Prime Minister Harper did not utter a word while he attended the emotional closing ceremony of the TRC on Thursday, nor did he announce any measures that would further reconciliation for survivors and close the economic gap between First Nations and non-aboriginal Canadians.
Since coming into power in 2006, the Conservative government has repeatedly rejected some long-standing demands by First Nations, such as holding a national enquiry on the missing and murdered aboriginal women, a measure also recommended by Justice Sinclair.
A group of female students and a nun pose in a classroom at Cross Lake Indian Residential School in Cross Lake, Manitoba in February 1940. Photograph: Reuters
“If Stephen Harper’s apology for residential schools is not followed by actions, it will prove to be meaningless”, warned Perry Bellegarde, Chief of the Assembly of First Nations. Bellegarde said Harper should move quickly on certain policy proposals, such as promoting the use of native languages and introducing aboriginal rights in the school curriculums across the nation. Bellegarde also stressed that more funding is desperately needed for equal education on reserves, where the government spends 3,000 dollars less per student than the national average.
The upcoming federal elections this October might still turn the tide in favour of the First Nations. Leaders of the two opposition parties – the New Democratic Party and the Liberal Party – have both promised to act on key policies if elected on October 19. There has been growing support in the general population for aboriginal requests, with three quarters of Canadians in favour of a public enquiry on violence against indigenous women who are four times more at risk of being murdered. NDP’s Thomas Mulcair has pledged that he would set up one within days of being elected.
Tom-Lindley hopes that the awareness and political pressure on the Harper government will continue to grow until Election Day.
“Canadians are starting to get the message that this is not only an aboriginal issue, it concerns everyone. We have found our voice and we will not keep quiet anymore.”
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actually, I live in the US now (married an American and I am quite glad I was not in Canada for the covid lockdown up there...worse than here)
lived most of my life in Canada though and there have been numerous documentaries on the abuse the native people suffered
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well I know that they referred to them as 'Jesus killers' and so on. I've had Catholic friends and the superstitions that go along with what they believe are eyebrow raising
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oh for Pete's sake. The abuse continued through the 70's
hello? can I get someone to actually acknowledge that?
who said anything about hating Catholics? smh
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Well you mentioned the holocaust, the Vatican was actually complicit in that too. They even helped Nazi war criminals escape Germany after the warI could scream at your display of ignorance and pompous ignoring of the facts. it was ongoing in the 70's. maybe if some of you Americans did not think you were the only people in the world who matter, you would actually make an attempt to inform youselves.
do you even know where Canada is?
Sue Caribou contracts pneumonia once a year, like clockwork. The recurring illness stems from her childhood years at one of Canada’s horrific residential schools. “I was thrown into a cold shower every night, sometimes after being raped”, the frail 50-year-old indigenous mother of six said, matter-of-factly.
Caribou was snatched from her parents’ house in 1972 by the state-funded, church-run Indian Residential School system that brutally attempted to assimilate native children for over a century. She was only seven years old. “We had to stand like soldiers while singing the national anthem, otherwise, we would be beaten up”, she recalled.
denial sent millions of Jews and other ethnicities to the gas chambers. but that's just history I guess. come to think of it, many don't believe that happened either
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Caribou said Catholic missionaries physically and sexually abused her until 1979 at the Guy Hill institution, in the east of the province of Manitoba. She said she was called a “dog”, was forced to eat rotten vegetables and was forbidden to speak her native language of Cree.
“I vowed to myself that if I ever get out alive of that horrible place, I would speak up and fight for our rights”, she said.
Sue Caribou said Catholic missionaries abused her until 1979 at the Guy Hill institution.
Her voice and that of 150,000 other residential school pupils was finally heard across the nation this week as Canada faced one of the darkest chapters in its history. The head of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), set up to examine the school system’s legacy, did not mince his words when he unveiled his landmark report. “Canada clearly participated in a period of cultural genocide”, declared Justice Murray Sinclair to cries and applause of survivors in Ottawa. Although prime minister Stephen Harper apologised for the school system in 2008 (as did the Roman Catholic Church in 2009), his government has always denied that it was a form of genocide.
Many survivors who gathered in Ottawa felt empowered for the first time in their life after hearing findings of the six-year-long commission.
“It feels like our story is validated at last and is out there for the world to see”, said a tearful 58 year-old Cindy Tom-Lindley, who is executive director of the Indian Residential School Survivor Society in British Columbia. “We were too scared as children to speak out. So to give our testimonies to the commission was liberating and emotional.”
As many as 6,000 children died in residential institutions, which ran from 1876 to 1996.
The accurate figure could be much higher however, since the government stopped recording aboriginal students’ deaths in 1920 in light of the alarming statistics. Caribou believes that dozens of pupils perished at the institution where she was detained. “Remains were found all over the fields. But numbers do not reflect the reality. Many of my friends committed suicide after their release”, said Caribou, who said she was frustrated that an inquiry did not take place twenty years ago, after the last of the residential schools closed
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we are indoctrinated with a history that leaves out details that are actually mind changing
for example, Indians did not invent scalping. the English and French started them on that but we always hear the Indians scalped people...oh horror.
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this is the type of thing that causes anti-American sentiment
I am not anti-American. I live here and have American friends and so on. obviously not of your persuasion