Christian Zionism

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Roar said:
God is not a man that He changes His mind or His word or your faith is in vain sinse you make God a liar. My God is not a liar even if yours is.
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If only there was a passage that discusses God's word not being in vain despite promises not being rendered to those that falsely think they are the inheritors of that promise... If only there was a passage that clarified that.

Hey did you get around to reading Romans 9:6 yet?
 
Roar said:
OK, Dino246. Do you believe in the Literal Word of God?
Here Goes!!! How asinine are these in YOUR ESTIMATION??? Or is GOD a LIAR in Your ESTIMATION???
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If you're going to yell, I'm not interested in listening.
 
Jocund said:
If only there was a passage that discusses God's word not being in vain despite promises not being rendered to those that falsely think they are the inheritors of that promise... If only there was a passage that clarified that.

Hey did you get around to reading Romans 9:6 yet?
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I have read the whole book of Romans more times than I can count. Have you figure out Romans Chapter 11 yet???
 
Dino246 said:
If you're going to yell, I'm not interested in listening.
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Ok, can you hear me now?

Try reading: When A Jew Rules the World: What the Bible Really Says about Israel in the Plan of God by Joel Richardson. Just maybe you will listen to him, just maybe.

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Dino246 said:
If you're going to yell, I'm not interested in listening.
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The Restitution of All Things: Israel, Christians, and the End of the Age by Joseph Farah is also a godd book on the subect if you have an open mind for the truth. "If" that is.
 
Jocund said:
If only there was a passage that discusses God's word not being in vain despite promises not being rendered to those that falsely think they are the inheritors of that promise... If only there was a passage that clarified that.

Hey did you get around to reading Romans 9:6 yet?
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You should try this book it might help you..

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Jocund said:
Does that book skip Romans 9:6 too?
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I suppose you belong to the true Israel but those who Paul says in Romans says in Romans 11:26 NKJV; 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

In your opinion do those saved Jews not belong to true Israel according to what is written in the Bible. Is that your interpretation or not? You are like a broken record stuck on a single track. lol
 
Everyone has to go through Yeshua/Jesus; jew and gentile. A Gentile believer is no better than a Messianc Jewish believer. Period.
 
Roar said:
The Restitution of All Things: Israel, Christians, and the End of the Age by Joseph Farah is also a godd book on the subect if you have an open mind for the truth. "If" that is.
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I see that you can't resist making a personal dig.

Have a nice life.
 
What don't you fellow Christians get?

Paul wrote:
Romans 11; New King James Version,
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Read the above prayerfully and slowly! "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery. Read that part again. Why is Paul saying this? Because ne does NOT want gentile Christians to think wisely in their own opinions, that blindness IN PART has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. HELLO my fellow Christians!!! Wake up and smell the coffee! So what is God's word saying here? So what is God's word saying here; that blindness IN PART has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Therefore NOT ALL JEWS ARE BLINDED!!! So Christians should have an active outreach, active felowship outreach with Messiac Jews!!! Yes, I am shouting since so many who call themselves Christians persecute Messiac Jews in violation of Jesus own teachings!!!

Now respond to that!
 
Roar said:
Romans 11:26 NKJV; 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

In your opinion do those saved Jews not belong to true Israel according to what is written in the Bible. Is that your interpretation or not? You are like a broken record stuck on a single track. lol
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Those saved Jews are in Christ, in accordance with Romans 9:6. NonChristian Jews are not in that category. No Christian should praise NonChristian Jews for rejecting Christ.

Roar said:
Everyone has to go through Yeshua/Jesus; jew and gentile. A Gentile believer is no better than a Messianc Jewish believer. Period.
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Jews that observe the teachings of the Talmud reject Christ. The predominant Jewish sect in the modern geopolitical state that called itself Israel observes the teachings of the Talmud.

We should also be cautious of what someone means by "Messianic Judaism". There are Muslims that have called themselves that because they accept Jesus as the messiah but not as God the Son. Some nonMuslim Messianic Jews may also accept Christ as the Messiah but reject him as God the Son. This should be approached with caution until it is determined what their belief actually entails. There are self-titled Messianic Jews that do accept Jesus Christ as Messiah and God the Son.

If the question is about comparing Christians of Jewish heritage to Christians that lack Jewish heritage, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, for all are one in Christ. But I don't think that was ever the question.
 
If we’re waiting for the fullness of the gentiles to come into the kingdom shouldn’t we be praying more fervently for the Arabs in this time? Pray for the Jews, certainly, but do not forget the Arabs.
 
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Jocund said:
Those saved Jews are in Christ, in accordance with Romans 9:6. NonChristian Jews are not in that category. No Christian should praise NonChristian Jews for rejecting Christ.



Jews that observe the teachings of the Talmud reject Christ. The predominant Jewish sect in the modern geopolitical state that called itself Israel observes the teachings of the Talmud.

We should also be cautious of what someone means by "Messianic Judaism". There are Muslims that have called themselves that because they accept Jesus as the messiah but not as God the Son. Some nonMuslim Messianic Jews may also accept Christ as the Messiah but reject him as God the Son. This should be approached with caution until it is determined what their belief actually entails. There are self-titled Messianic Jews that do accept Jesus Christ as Messiah and God the Son.

If the question is about comparing Christians of Jewish heritage to Christians that lack Jewish heritage, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, for all are one in Christ. But I don't think that was ever the question.
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Messianic Jews have been in Yeshua before you ever new the name of Jesus.:)
His desiples spoke Hebrew not Greek so they called Him Yeshua as His name is in Hebrew. Yeshua in Hebrew is a verbal derivative from "to rescue", "to deliver" just so you know. Yeshua Hamashiach / Jesus Christ
 
Roar said:
Messianic Jews have been in Yeshua before you ever new the name of Jesus.:)
His desiples spoke Hebrew not Greek so they called Him Yeshua as His name is in Hebrew. Yeshua in Hebrew is a verbal derivative from "to rescue", "to deliver" just so you know. Yeshua Hamashiach
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My ancestors certainly didn't speak English before English was a language.

The distinction for Messianic Jews (including Islamic Messianic Jews) is whether they accept Jesus only as the Messiah and the Word of God, or whether they fully accept Jesus as their Savior and God.
 
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Jocund said:

My ancestors certainly didn't speak English before English was a language.

The distinction for Messianic Jews (including Islamic Messianic Jews) is whether they accept Jesus only as the Messiah and the Word of God, or whether they fully accept Jesus as their Savior and God.
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LOL, where did you come up with this "gibberish"?
 
Jocund said:
My ancestors certainly didn't speak English before English was a language.

The distinction for Messianic Jews (including Islamic Messianic Jews) is whether they accept Jesus only as the Messiah and the Word of God, or whether they fully accept Jesus as their Savior and God.
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Specified and quoted againand it is still "gibberish"
 
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