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Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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What do you think about the last part where it says "i have gone astray" or, in some translations "I have wandered about". I would probably never use the words "gone astray" to describe Jesus, so, maybe he "wandered about" but where does that happen? Does he wander about like a lost sheep somewhere? He is the shepherd so it is difficult to think of him as a lost sheep... maybe this is him talking about how he feels on earth compared to how he would be in heaven?
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evyaniy
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this was answered a number of times in previous posts.
"gone astray like a lost sheep" is an incorrect translation. the "lost sheep" part hides the actual meaning. the word they translated lost is abad/avad Hebrew word H6. that word is used 184 times in the OT and is translated perished 98 times and destroyed 62 times which accounts for the vast majority of occurrences of the word. Perished and destroyed is slain, not lost. The word translated sheep is se H7716 which could be translated Lamb as well which it is for many of the occurrences of se H7716. He is referring to Himself as a "slain Lamb" in this last verse, which He was at this point in the prayer because He had been crucified and was dead when praying the last stanza.
the word translated gone astray is ta'a H8582 which means to wander off or be missing in this instance which is exactly His condition at this point because He was dead and missing. He goes on to ask His Father to seek and find Him and raise Him to life again according to the promise of life in the commandments to Him.
a more accurate translation of v176 would be
I am missing, like a slain Lamb. Seek/find Thy Servant, for I do not forget Thy commandments.
it is an unfortunate mistranslation for this key verse where He refers to Himself as a slain Lamb which reveals it is the Son speaking.
I am going to be honest with you. Please do not take this as an attack on you. But I disagree with your assessment. I do nto need psalms 119 to prove it is jesus from begining to the end. There is so much scripture that proves Jesus is the I am of Moses in the burning bush The creator of the universe. The God of Israel, The alpha and omega. The one who knew no sin was made sin for us….The one who took the curse of the law in our place. I can go on and on and on..
I am confused as to why you have not listened to others.. Who have I think adequately shown it can not be christ. Christ did not sin. If you’re using the reasoning he took our sin of him sinning, it makes no sense. He did not sin as the psalmist says, He took our sin. He also did nto need a redeemer. He was the redeemer. When he said pain in full (it is finished) it was done. He was the lamb of God who took the sin of the world..
all we really need is one reason for it not to be him to prove it is not him. I have just shown you two.. I am sure if we looked we could find more..
Psalms 19 seems more of a psalm of David that it does christ to me.. I see no resemblance if Christ in that passage.
In ending, I still do not see an answer of why it is so important to you. What is the danger of it not being him?
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evyaniy
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evyaniy
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thats what you sound like when you refuse to look at what other people say.
if we see it your way. We are smart. If not. We are foolish or something
Funny how you can not answer my concerns. but just want to mock.
You’re hurt yourself as another poster said. You do not even quote people..
Is the one poster correct? Are you hebrew roots? I do not want to accuse..
I do not know what I could say to make it any clearer.. I can;t flick a switch to get you to see it
You have been shown two unmistakeable proofs it can not be jesus. And you have not refuted those things..
Don;t attack people because they can nto see it your way. Try to be like us and find out WHY we can not see it your way..
You still have not answered my why it is so important for psalms 119.. you sidestepped the question and acted if I was just supposed to see it..
things do not work that way
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evyaniy
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My bad.
I see what you're saying, though- the lexicon seems to support what you're saying. It's interesting that so many English translations choose what they do.
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evyaniy
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English translations refer to other English translations as a starting point and for comparisons. So errors can persist once a translator's bias on a text enters the translation.
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evyaniy
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The word wandered according to many hebrew lexicons, including the concise hebrew and Aramaic lexicon (CHALOT) means to walk or live in a certain way to waiver.. to wander off. To go astray, to be confused, to stagger
Not sure how this points to christ.
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evyaniy
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Yeah, "gone astray" does seem very bad in the moral sense. In the physical sense it is not so damning: Jesus was somewhere he should not have been (not 'morally' but legally). He was facing circumstances that, in accordance with the law, he should not be facing... so in a very strictly physical sense, he was "led astray", but it does seem like a very odd way of saying that.
jesus was where he was supposed to be, it was the purpose for which he came to earth. To redeem us from our sin. Remember, Jesus over and over said it was not his time yet.. When it was his time, he was right where he was supposed to be.
if jesus wandered, or was led astray, it would have been him walking away from the cross. Not toward it.
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evyaniy
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He was suffering death to save us from our sins while praying the last stanza. Actually His Father required that of Him because He so loved the world that He gave His only Son to save us. There are other Psalms like 22 where the Son says the Father has done this. Yes man was responsible for His suffering but the love of the Father and Son accomplished our salvation through it. Please read Psalm 88 which is one of His Prayers while He was dead and wanted to be raised so He could continue to praise His Father and declare His wonders and truth. He says that in other places too and even in Psalm 119.