Christ is God

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Jerzy said:
Didn't Jesus say that the Father is the only true God?

Didn't the NT writers give thanks to God our Father and to our Lord Jesus Christ?

Perhaps you should correct them, shouldn't you OneOfHis?
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is the Father not Lord? is the Son not God?
 
Aerials1978 said:
Why are you changing topics again?
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because he doesn't believe Christ is God.
so he's drawing the whole 'Christ is God' thread into as many random futile arguments as he can. like how rich men fight things in courts that they know they can't win -- they're just stalling for time, trying to bog down the prosecution with paperwork until the crime is lost in all the filling out of forms and going through of motions.
he's succeeded in adding 9 pages of side-tracking, all avoiding the key issue:

Jesus of Nazareth is I AM in the flesh
 
garee said:
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter1:8-11
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thank you garee ♥

this also proves Christ is God:
it speaks of the prophets having His Spirit speaking through them, and the prophets themselves say:

The Spirit of the Lord YHWH is upon me ​
(Isaiah 61:1) ​
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Spirit of Christ = Spirit of I AM THAT I AM
Christ = I AM THAT I AM
 
posthuman said:
because he doesn't believe Christ is God.
so he's drawing the whole 'Christ is God' thread into as many random futile arguments as he can. like how rich men fight things in courts that they know they can't win -- they're just stalling for time, trying to bog down the prosecution with paperwork until the crime is lost in all the filling out of forms and going through of motions.
he's succeeded in adding 9 pages of side-tracking, all avoiding the key issue:

Jesus of Nazareth is I AM in the flesh
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Who knows what he believes. He was all over the place.
 
Jerzy said:
OK. Concerning the temptation. Please consider:

1. Jesus was aware of the prophecies.
2. He was without food for 40 days (and nights).
3. If you were in his shoes wouldn't you begin questioning the prophets or justifying taking advantage of the prophecies?
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God cannot be tempted ((James 1:3)). Christ was 'tested' i.e. 'proven' ((πειράζω - look it up))

which, BTW --

Jesus said to him, ​
“Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”​
Then the devil left Him, and behold! Angels came and ministered to Him!​
(Matthew 4:10-11) ​
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Christ tells Satan to depart, and The Devil departs. Christ has authority over him, which even Michael does not ((Jude 1:9)).
through Hebrews 2:7-9 / Psalm 8:5 we know that being found in the form of a man, His humanity is lower than the angels - so the authority in Him ((Matthew 28:18-20)) is of that which is above the whole created order, even above the anointed cherub ((Ezekiel 28:14)). who rules over all? YHWH Lord of Hosts ((1 Chronicles 29:12))

→ Christ is God
 
Jerzy said:
Jesus refered to himself as God
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thanks for reminding me; i think we haven't actually listed this proof yet:


Jesus said, “I AM. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”​
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?”​
And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.​
(Mark 14:62-64)​
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Jesus was in fact condemned to death by the unbelieving for exactly the fact that He referred to Himself as God.
believe me, @Jerzy these people knew the scripture far better than you do, and they immediately understood what Jesus was saying. and they tried to kill Him for it, repeatedly. Christ is God; He says so Himself.
in this passage He self-referentially invokes the ineffable name, and such passages as Exodus 19:9 unmistakably identifying Himself.
 
Jerzy said:
Try 1Cor 1:7, 8:6 and continue with thanks giving in opening of epistles.
Question: could the writers say contrary to what they began with in the epistles?
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I'm not interested in debating. I have done my homework, and I know that Jesus Christ is God. :)
 
Aerials1978 said:
Gods word or your word?
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OK, please consider the following verses and tell us why we should reject them:
Isa 11:1-3, 42:1+6, Eze 34:23-24, Mic 5:2, Mt 6:9, 11:25, Jn 5:30-32, 6:23, 6:44-45, 6:65, 14:6, 14:10, 17:3, 20:17, 20:31, Ac 2:22, 2:36, 3:20-26, 10:36, 13:23, 17:31, Ro 1:7, 1Cor 1:3, 8:6, 11:3, 2Co 1:2, 5:18+21, Eph 1:3, 2:18, Ga 1:1, 1:3, Col 1:1-3, 1:12-13, Php 1:2, 1Th 1:1-3, 2Th 1:1-2, 1Ti 1:1-2, 2:5, 2Ti 1:1-2, Ti 1:4, Phm 1:3-4, Heb 1:1-2, Jam 1:1, 1Pe 1:2-3, 2Pe 1:2, 1Jn 1:2-3, 2Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1, Re 1:1, 1:6.
 
posthuman said:
because he doesn't believe Christ is God.
so he's drawing the whole 'Christ is God' thread into as many random futile arguments as he can. like how rich men fight things in courts that they know they can't win -- they're just stalling for time, trying to bog down the prosecution with paperwork until the crime is lost in all the filling out of forms and going through of motions.
he's succeeded in adding 9 pages of side-tracking, all avoiding the key issue:

Jesus of Nazareth is I AM in the flesh
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It neither says that Jesus is God nor that God is Trinity.
 
posthuman said:
thank you garee ♥

this also proves Christ is God:
it speaks of the prophets having His Spirit speaking through them, and the prophets themselves say:

The Spirit of the Lord YHWH is upon me ​
(Isaiah 61:1) ​
​
Spirit of Christ = Spirit of I AM THAT I AM
Christ = I AM THAT I AM
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Just another "assumption".
 
posthuman said:
God cannot be tempted ((James 1:3)). Christ was 'tested' i.e. 'proven' ((πειράζω - look it up))

which, BTW --

Jesus said to him, ​
“Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”​
Then the devil left Him, and behold! Angels came and ministered to Him!​
(Matthew 4:10-11) ​
​
Christ tells Satan to depart, and The Devil departs. Christ has authority over him, which even Michael does not ((Jude 1:9)).
through Hebrews 2:7-9 / Psalm 8:5 we know that being found in the form of a man, His humanity is lower than the angels - so the authority in Him ((Matthew 28:18-20)) is of that which is above the whole created order, even above the anointed cherub ((Ezekiel 28:14)). who rules over all? YHWH Lord of Hosts ((1 Chronicles 29:12))

→ Christ is God
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So "God" Jesus was tested.

Or, perhaps Jesus being a man was tested as every one else.
 
posthuman said:
thanks for reminding me; i think we haven't actually listed this proof yet:


Jesus said, “I AM. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”​
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?”​
And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.​
(Mark 14:62-64)​
​
Jesus was in fact condemned to death by the unbelieving for exactly the fact that He referred to Himself as God.
believe me, @Jerzy these people knew the scripture far better than you do, and they immediately understood what Jesus was saying. and they tried to kill Him for it, repeatedly. Christ is God; He says so Himself.
in this passage He self-referentially invokes the ineffable name, and such passages as Exodus 19:9 unmistakably identifying Himself.
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Does Jesus say that he is God?
Nop.
You just "assume".
 
Dino246 said:
I'm not interested in debating. I have done my homework, and I know that Jesus Christ is God. :)
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But neither the prophets nor the NT writers, not even Jesus himself knew that.
So one wonders where do you know it from that Jesus is God.

Please consider some of the texts in post 1091 making your "know" absolutely impossible.
 
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