Darkness is just a name for "not light". In the Universe, darkness is naturally occuring where no star can shine properly.
Spiritually, its a lack of God's grace.
Christ is God
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Darkness is just a name for "not light". In the Universe, darkness is naturally occuring where no star can shine properly.
Spiritually, its a lack of God's grace.
Created from what? I figure you are going to say it was created by the 'Word" so let me ask you the following:
Did the Spirit come from the Word or did the Word come from the Spirit?
p.s. While it can be said the universe had a definitive beginning, it can't be said that the universe had a finite beginning. Finite is the term for a physical object that can be measured or be quantified having at least two definitive points of measure. See Ephesians 3:18
So you do believe that the Universe is a finite body of space?
So if matter cannot be destroyed then how is this universe going to cease to exist?
So do you believe God said let there be light and there was light. And God saw the light was good?
As far as the previous question regarding Jesus being Christ. Since the scriptures refer unto the doctrine of Christ then if Jesus was Christ then it must have been his doctrine since if it wasn't his doctrine then he wouldn't be Christ.
John 7
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
If Darkness is just another name for "no light" then a tree is just another name for 'unprocessed furniture'.
Darkness is a reality that has always been there way before light was created just a tree has been existing before furniture made from wood were created/discovered- you can't use the later to describe the former because they are not mutually exclusive.
Your example is not suitable. Light is not a processed darkness. Light is what exist, it has velocity, physical attributes etc. Darknes does not. It does not exist, its just what our eyes see where there is no light.
What our eyes see where there's no light?!!! how does one see what doesn't exist?
If a blind man says "it is dark" and a person who has functioning eyes says "it is dark", whose testimony will be accepted and why?
And you miss the point again; darkness is a reality, an independent reality- it doesn't depend on light whereas light depends on darkness.
trofimus said:
Unfortunately, many seem to forget that no words exist without a speaker to speak them, no thought without a thinker to think them, no action without an actor to act them.
Any child knows that mommy's words can only be heard after mommy speaks them, thus go looking for her when they hear them.
Logos, by definition, is a product of a being. And anything produced by a being is a creation of said being. And anything that is produced (or created) by another, is, by definition, not God, who, by definition, is the only being without beginning or end or source.
Thus, Jesus would say about God at John 17:3, "you [the Father], the Only True God." And is why, unless you are following the tenets of Greek philosophy instead of the religion Jesus himself followed, the first few words of John 1:1 eliminate the possibility of Jesus is God.
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Light doesn't depend on darkness but is introduced to darkness (void nothingness) so where does the darkness go????
Nothing can exist without light. Light overcomes darkness. Darkness is nothing.
In the absence of darkness there can not be any light. Darkness is a field (the entire field) while light is a condition that results in a small field of darkness being overcome.
When you go out at night, you can't say "..it is nothing.." when it is dark, you say "it is dark.."and you need functioning eyes to say so. Functioning eyes measure the level of darkness not the level of nothingness.
Your statement about nothing existing without light is unfortunate because the first statement in the bible talks of the spirit of God hovering over the water in darkness.
Darkness is a reality, an un-created reality, it exists in the spiritual realm rather than than the natural one.
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pottersclay
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The first statement in Genesis deals with ....time...space....and matter....which was created by God.
In the beginning....(time).........God......created the heavens....(space).....and the earth...(.matter) .
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
So there was darkness but you said nothing can exist without light.
And time is a construct of the mind, without the mind, time is nothing- there's also 'before the beginning', so actually time was also before the beginning, the reason God refers to Himself as ancient of days.
So if space is void of mass, then how did God create nothing since space is void of matter having mass?
Moreover, if God created the heavens then then that would imply that God made two space(s) void of matter, then the universe wouldn't be one body of space which contrary to what is known and observed in our physical world.
The ancient Latin had a philosophical phrase, ex nihilo nihil fit which translates as "nothing can come from nothing.:" And thus the paradox is how nothing can come from something, which asks if the universe had a beginning then it must have originated from something then how was nothing created since heaven is a void of any mass?
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pottersclay
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Dealing with any physical matter these 3 things must apply.....time....space....matter. the origins of there existence was created by God (the light).
God did not build upon anything he created out of nothing. Then he purposed them. Nothing random.
Earth the word Earth means dirt...soil .....scripture tells us the the Earth was without form....void. yet today we have a round shapened Earth..... how'd that happen? I believe scripture tells us he has shapened it with his hands.
Time....space...and matter....were created by God (the light)
God did not build upon anything he created out of nothing. Then he purposed them. Nothing random.
Earth the word Earth means dirt...soil .....scripture tells us the the Earth was without form....void. yet today we have a round shapened Earth..... how'd that happen? I believe scripture tells us he has shapened it with his hands.
Time....space...and matter....were created by God (the light)
I thought dealing with physical matter that this must apply, it must be a physical atom of matter having mass?
If it didn't have mass then it would be physical matter since matter is found in these three state: solid, liquid, or gas.
Yes, so if physical matter must apply to time space and matter then what describes the state of matter for space?
So if space isn't nothing then what is it? So can you define what space is if not a void of nothing?
Then again, if time, space and matter were created by God(the light), then why did God say let there be light if he already existed? And if God saw the light then what other light is visible other than the white light illuminated from the the sun?
If it didn't have mass then it would be physical matter since matter is found in these three state: solid, liquid, or gas.
Yes, so if physical matter must apply to time space and matter then what describes the state of matter for space?
So if space isn't nothing then what is it? So can you define what space is if not a void of nothing?
Then again, if time, space and matter were created by God(the light), then why did God say let there be light if he already existed? And if God saw the light then what other light is visible other than the white light illuminated from the the sun?
Do you believe in the scriptures regarding the fruit of the tree. for example a good tree brings forth good fruit; so a good tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit.
So the faith in the scriptures that a good tree can only bring forth good fruit is works; then if a good tree can bring forth a corrupt fruit would show that ones faith in the scripture that a good trees only brings forth good fruit would be faith without works, and it is written that faith without works, being alone is dead?
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Ezek 37:3-4
So you believe that 'I am' is the name of the God? <chuckle> well geez, that explains a lot.
So what question did Moses know the children of Israel were going to ask when he told them that the God of their fathers had sent him unto them?
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Ex 3:13
So what was the name of God of the children of Israel?
Gen 32:9
9 And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the LORD which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee:
So instead of I am the LORD: that is my name, you might want to consider I am the LORD; that is my name.
Ex 3:15-16
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:
i had quoted kjv here:
I am the LORD: that is my name: and My glory will I not give to another
(Isaiah 42:8)
in kjv, whatever is italicized is not in the actual text. you may as well delete it.
literally the verse reads:
I the LORD: that my name: and My glory will I not give to another
(Isaiah 42:8)
the point here is that the LORD ((which in kjv, when you see this written in all caps, indicates the Hebrew is YHVH)) does not share His glory with anyone other. yet Christ is transfigured, Matthew 17 - and in Matthew 16, He says He will come in the glory of YHVH - which He also says He has with the Father before the beginning of the world ((John 17:5, 22)). yet YHVH does not share His glory with another.
conclusion: A = B
Jesus walked in the flesh just as we do. No difference. He left His station in heaven to become as us in order to pave the way for a people (His body) to also walk as He walked. The God aspect of Jesus regenerates us so that we love what God loves. But the victory is in His human aspect. He gives us His perfect walk as a gift. He divinely gives us something very human. We were created without sin...and Jesus restores that condition...through His blood...His life. That is what it means to follow Christ...to walk as He walked..through His grace. By faith.