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One person and one being. The Logos in flesh. Flesh making Him to be limited in that time.
So if the beginning is with regard to all creation, also the end is with regard to passing away of all creation (everything will pass but the word shall remain); if Jesus is this end, how come you say He doesn't know the hour?
How comes the flesh could not limit Him so many other times that He talked about the end?
Unbelievable!!
You really have no concept concerning the scripture. The very basic of God coming in flesh is so we could WATCH HIM. WATCH HIM pray to the Invisible God, like we pray to the Invisible God - WATCH Him submit the flesh to the Spirit, like we submit our flesh to the Spirit - WATCH Him preach/teach/handle life's situation, like we handle it with the help of God - WATCH Him use faith to perform miracles, like we can by faith - there are so many examples of us WATCHING Him do things so we would know how to do them ourselves.
And to think, if it was all about just 2 people talking is a waste of scripture and useless knowledge!!
People were already saved under the LAW!! He brought the Gospel, invited the Gentiles, and showed us by example how to live. If dying was the only purpose, then getting to know him in 27 Books seems ridiculous.
Then those churches are blind from the absolute truth, because in the Book of Acts, we see the FIRST CHURCH specifically following the example of what Christ taught them (before the RCC bastardized scripture). They healed in the Name of Christ, They baptized in the Name of Christ, They set up churches in the Name of Christ, they followed every example that Christ taught them while on earth (because that was important for Christ to do in order for us in our daily walk in God). They did everything in the Name of Christ.
But today, we have trinity (which was not a part or example we read of the FIRST CHURCH). Some how, people feel they are smarter than the Disciples and Paul. In reality, they actually are not following Christ, the Disciples, or Paul. Because none of those spoke of three, they spoke of ONE!!
Like I said, enjoy!!
It's your walk in God, not mine!!
The main thing however, you gave your life to Christ, like all believers do no matter their doctrine...
Well, its interesting that you think I have no concept concerning the scripture (sic), while what you teach:
a) contradicts what God said in Scriptures:
"God sent His Son... to save the world through him." J 3:17
"I came... to save the world" J 12:47
b) contradicts what angels said in Scriptures:
"the child... will save his people from their sins" Mt 1:21
c) contradicts what apostles said in Scriptures:
"Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1Tm 1:15
People "under the Law" were saved in Christ, because the Law is about (future) Messiah. We are saved by faith in what happened in the past (33 AD), they were saved by faith in what will happen in the future. But Christ's atonement on the cross is still the basis for it.
What church are you from, then? Does it have any name, today?
Did not know, while in the physical flesh. And I already explained why I think it was so.
I do not know, thats not on me to put God in flesh under a microscope and explain how it all worked together. Its a matter of faith, a mystery, how it is possible that God became flesh and what does it mean for his daily life on Earth. He apparently had many God's attributes and also apparently He sometimes did not know things, he feared, he was hungry etc.
When you get into the Universe and become on of 3D spacetime creatures, you lose the knowledge of everything. As Scriptures say - "he emptied himself".
But I am not denying part of why He came was to save us, I am also adding that 23 out of 27 Books in the New Testament are not about His death, but about His example.
Not sure why this is such a big issue knowing only the Gospels stress His death, while the other 23 Books stress His example of how He lived, and we should live by His example?
Maybe it's too much truth for you!!
They still would have been saved under the LAW had Christ not died. It just would still be under Mosaic guidelines is all. But indeed, with His death He gave the entire world the possibility for salvation.
The church I was raised in followed the Book of Acts, and did as I had already posted with everything done in the Name of Christ.
If the FIRST CHURCH set an example because they had first hand knowledge of the teachings of Christ, then why would that example not be effective today?
If we want to be specific in following Christ, it's a safe bet then to follow the Disciples and Paul's examples in the Book of Acts (which is the FIRST CHURCH)!!
Saying you don't know is sufficient but then you insist on illogical things. Knowledge is not part of the 3D space time creatures and God only emptied Himself with regards to sovereignty, not knowledge.
The difference between God and all other false gods is this:
Isa 43:
9Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10You are my witnesses, said the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
12I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore you are my witnesses, said the LORD, that I am God.
13Yes, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
This is what Jesus did, He declared the end before it happened even when He was in flesh. and there was no veil to prevent Him from knowing the future.
No, Jesus is God in flesh. Your own post reports as much. "the Logos became flesh".
Logos - Bible Dictionary Article
Don't forget John 1:14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
This is not true either.
- Acts 1:22--Witness of resurrection
- Acts 2:31--Resurrection of Christ
- Acts 2:32--Witnesses of the resurrection
- Acts 2:36--Jesus crucified: Lord and Christ
- Acts 3:13-16, 18--Jesus killed and raised
- Acts 3:26--God raised Jesus
- Acts 4:2--Through Jesus the resurrection of the dead
- Acts 4:10--Jesus crucified and raised
- Acts 4:33--Great power gave apostles witness of the resurrection
- Acts 5:28--Bring man’s blood upon us
- Acts 5:30-32--Death and resurrection-apostles and Holy Spirit are witnesses
- Acts 10:39-43--Death and resurrection witnesses, commission to preach
- Acts 13:29-31--Paul preached: death, burial, empty tomb, appearances, witnesses
- Acts 13:33-37--Resurrection
- Acts 17:3--Suffer and rise again
- Acts 17:18--Jesus and resurrection
- Acts 17:31-32--Assurance by raising Jesus from the dead
- Acts 20:28--Flock purchased with Jesus’ blood
- Acts 22:15--Witness of Jesus-was the risen Lord-(also see Acts 9, 26)
- Acts 25:19--Jesus dead-Paul said alive
- Acts 26:23--Jesus suffer and rise first
- Rom. 1:4--Declared Son of God by resurrection from the dead
- Rom. 3:24-25--Faith in His blood
- Rom. 4:24--Jesus raised
- Rom. 4:25--Delivered and raised
- Rom. 5:6-11--Christ died for the ungodly-justified by His blood-saved by His life.
- Rom. 6:3-14--Baptism: parallels death, burial and resurrection
- Rom. 8:11--Spirit raised Jesus
- *Rom. 8:17-18--Suffered and glorified with Christ
- Rom. 8:32--God delivered Jesus for us all
- Rom. 8:34--Jesus died and arose
- Rom. 10:6-7--Jesus died and rose (implied)-up from the dead
- Rom. 10:9--God raised Jesus
- Rom. 14:9--Death, resurrection and revived-Lord of dead and living
- Rom. 14:15--Destroy not a person for whom Christ died
- 1 Cor. 1:13--Paul crucified for you?
- 1 Cor. 1:17-18--Cross of Christ
https://carm.org/death-and-resurrection-passages-new-testament
Do not try to be personal, it will not work with me.
This is not true either.
"A person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."
Gal 2:16
"The Law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship."
Heb 10:1
Yeah, my question was what is the name of your church.
Well, apparently, there was when He was in the flesh, because He himself said that He did not know the hour. We must work with what is written. Therefore being in the flesh was some kind of a veil or emptying.
Work with what's written- where did He talk about a veil?
What is written is that He is the beginning and the end meaning that the hour and all time is part of Him.
What is written - Jesus didn't say "..i don't know the time.." that's your creation.
There's an amazing amount of hostility to be found in this community. I'd suggest you not let yourself be goaded by one of their number.
What transpires when discussions about Christ and his actual identity in both old and new testaments typically at a point when it does grow hostile, is people who study beyond the scriptures know the how Nicene Creed Christianity came to be. And those who prefer to follow Constantine's creation feel threatened by the Torah source Messiah.
There's an old truism. People that follow a false Christ aren't actually saved.
Stay in peace. That's a sign you have the holy spirit within you. Raging anger thrown at you as it hopes to defend the message of the prince of peace speaks for itself.
God knows his own.
Because you believe the trinity concept as you do, you feel the scriptures DID NOT reveal to us Christ giving us examples in how as humans we should live?
You know what I find interesting is why the RCC did not add the Gospel of Thomas to the 66 Books, or Enoch, or Jasher, or any of the other Books mentioned in other scripture. My guess is why Thomas was not added is because he proves Christ did not believe in the trinity.
Here is Christ:
30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Rather clear that Christ is not with anything that is THREE, which would be the trinity!!
This verse is specific to how the Messianic Jews believe, you know, the chosen Jews in the end times who finally accept Christ as their God?
Interesting if Christ actually made this statement, because it blows your idealism out of the water like a dead duck!!
https://carm.org/death-and-resurrection-passages-new-testament
Had the Messiah not shown up then yes, they were still saved by the LAW. Are you telling me when Christ met Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Configuration (((((before His death))))) that Moses and Elijah were not in Paradise?
How would they have been free to meet Christ if they were still under bondage from the LAW?
This proves my point whether you accept it or not!!
https://carm.org/death-and-resurrection-passages-new-testament
I raised Independent and followed the example from the Book of Acts!!
These "creations" are helpful to put a system into Bible verses. They comply with the Bible.
You, on the other hand, must change many verses not to mean what they say, thats the problem, for me. True theology should not have to dismiss Bible verses or even full chapters like "its just a theatre for our example, He did not mean what He was saying, actually.".
Nobody was or will be saved by the Law of Moses. The purpose of the Law of Moses was to put people under sin.
Moses, Eliah, Abraham, David etc were saved by the faith in Redeemer, promised to Eve, promised in the Law and promised in almost all prophets.
Ok, whatever.
Refuting yourself; when Jesus said "i and the Father are one" or "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.." did He actually mean if you see a distinct person, you have seen the other distinct person?
You are the one who has torn scriptures apart and given them a new false meaning. All the scriptures that you have quoted don't support your doctrine, none. That why you have to add your own creations and the idea that first century church believed in it. Simply put; there's no verse in the entire bible that suggests three distinct persons in one being - where the Father is not the son and the son is not the Holy spirit.