Garee distinguishes between the Son of God and the Son of man. He does not believe they are one and the same.
Christ is God
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His flesh saw no corruption ((Acts 2:31, 13:37)) -- putting together what is proven in post #1,516 and post #1,517 -- He makes clean what He inhabits, because of who He is. and so: He is a clean sacrifice, virgin born, without the inheritance of earthly father; without spot, wholly undefiled.
compare also:
Martha said to Jesus,
“Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died."
(John 11:21)
she is right, you know! no one dies in His presence. His presence is life; He is The Life
Martha is saying this:
→ Christ is God
what remains then is to show the Son of God is the Son of Man;
in what SoulWeaver put here:
Jesus proves the Son of Man is the Son of God.
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If Jesus is called God in the Bible, yet was not, then that would constitute blasphemy.
God would not have left such blasphemies in our Bibles, if that was the case.
The Bible teaches, "God is not the author of confusion". In the Bible we find this:
David: "The Lord said unto my Lord" (Psa 110:1)
Thomas: "My Lord and my God!" (Jn 20:28)
"...the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..." (1 Tim 3:16)
"...said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God..." (John 5:18)
"...which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage," (Philippians 2)
the whole trial and murder of Jesus was about His divinity claim (John 10:33 “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” )
the charge that Jesus was charged with was blasphemy, yet is claimed to be blameless, sinless and to have told no lie by Scripture (1 Pet 2:22 and many others); hence, Jesus did not blaspheme or lie - He is God.
when someone who isn't God is mistakenly worshiped in the Bible (person falling on their face before them, etc.), this is immediately corrected: "see that thou do it not", "worship God", etc. Yet Jesus always accepted acts of worship.
God is not the author of confusion
God would not have left such blasphemies in our Bibles, if that was the case.
The Bible teaches, "God is not the author of confusion". In the Bible we find this:
David: "The Lord said unto my Lord" (Psa 110:1)Thomas: "My Lord and my God!" (Jn 20:28)"...the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..." (1 Tim 3:16)"...said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God..." (John 5:18)"...which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage," (Philippians 2)the whole trial and murder of Jesus was about His divinity claim (John 10:33 “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” )the charge that Jesus was charged with was blasphemy, yet is claimed to be blameless, sinless and to have told no lie by Scripture (1 Pet 2:22 and many others); hence, Jesus did not blaspheme or lie - He is God.when someone who isn't God is mistakenly worshiped in the Bible (person falling on their face before them, etc.), this is immediately corrected: "see that thou do it not", "worship God", etc. Yet Jesus always accepted acts of worship.God is not the author of confusion
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.
9 Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow TO ME, and every tongue shall confess TO GOD.
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........................Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,........
"Jesus said...'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" (John 20:17)
You notice how He didn't say "our Father" or "our God." This separation in the greek text denotes a difference in the type of relationship, which further proves He was equal to the Father.
Because He referred to the Father as His God simply means He had a reverence for the Father, not that he was created by Him.
Nice try, though.
Does Jesus have a god, according to Jesus?
"Jesus cried out in a loud voice...'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'" (Matthew 27:46)
"If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)
God makes a distinction.
Not a salvation issue .More of I would think how can we hear God not seen? How did the Son of man, Jesus hear the father? By sight, that seen? Or by faith the unseen will that worked in him?
They are one. Jesus the prophet apostle did not do the will of his flesh. But did the will of him who had the power . Jesus as the Son of man lived in a earthen body of death. God cannot die and never rise again. He has no flesh to return to the dust. He is the first born amongst the brethren ( mankind)
Greater in position. The father giving power to relief the sufferings when the Son cried out .One work of mutual submissions.
Not greater as one person. Its the work of two . No Father. . no Son . No Son . . no Father.
Know the Son, know the Father . Two walking together as one
One work performed by two. Mutual submission. One having power the other requesting.
Three times during the garden demonstration before he demonstrated of the cross. It would seem to be a three part demonstration called the heart of the earth .The last part the tomb
In the garden sufferings unto death (not dead never to rise) The cup of the father's wrath was poured out on the corrupted flesh of Jesus (The law of faith )
Luke 22:42-46 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.
Then they moved toward the cross demonstration.to show it from a different viewpoint. called a doublet (something consisting of two identical or similar parts )
It is indeed a salvation issue. Jesus Himself said, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:23-24)
So the Father has more power than the Son?
"But I want you to realize that...the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3)
"As Jesus was on his way...a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years, but no one could heal her. She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and immediately her bleeding stopped...Jesus said, 'Someone touched me; I know that power has gone out from me.'...In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed. Then he said to her, 'Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace.'" (Luke 8:42-48)
Did the woman heal herself?
this is the proof of divinity from Haggai again -- she was unclean from the issue of blood, but instead of the unclean defiling the clean, she was made whole by touching his garment.
it is a very complex and extraordinary thing, this -- she touches the tzitzit on His garment. she knows this will heal her; why? we have to understand what she understood, what a garment signifies, what tzitzit are a sign of, why the Messiah's garment, His tassels, would cleanse her.
He calls her "daughter" -- this is a profound honor, that He is not recorded saying to a person often.
no she didn't heal herself. she was healed because of her faith - her faith was not in herself.
i'll revisit: not enough time to cover all of that at the moment, but she knows He is God; she has this faith, that He is Messiah and His garment is a covering which makes whole and purifies.
