Christ’s death and resurrection
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Christ’s Death and Resurrection — What Does Baptism Represent in the New Testament?
Many passages describe baptism as identifying believers with Christ’s death and resurrection (Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12).
It’s often discussed whether this act itself brings salvation or whether it publicly expresses faith already received.
Christ’s death and resurrection are the foundation of the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Through faith, believers are united with Him in His death to sin and raised to new life by His Spirit. Baptism beautifully symbolizes that reality—dying with Christ and rising with Him—but the new birth itself comes through faith, not through water.
From my reading of Scripture, salvation comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and baptism follows as obedience and testimony.
Others may see it differently, so I’m curious how you understand verses such as 1 Peter 3:21 and Acts 10:44-48 in context.
Grace and Peace
Many passages describe baptism as identifying believers with Christ’s death and resurrection (Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12).
It’s often discussed whether this act itself brings salvation or whether it publicly expresses faith already received.
Christ’s death and resurrection are the foundation of the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Through faith, believers are united with Him in His death to sin and raised to new life by His Spirit. Baptism beautifully symbolizes that reality—dying with Christ and rising with Him—but the new birth itself comes through faith, not through water.
From my reading of Scripture, salvation comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and baptism follows as obedience and testimony.
Others may see it differently, so I’m curious how you understand verses such as 1 Peter 3:21 and Acts 10:44-48 in context.
Grace and Peace
In the New Testament, water baptism is a symbol, not a saving act.
Here’s the biblical summary (KJV-based):
It represents our identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection — “Buried with him in baptism… raised with him through the faith of the operation of God” (Colossians 2:12).
It follows salvation, it doesn’t cause it — “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16). Notice unbelief condemns, not lack of baptism.
It’s an act of obedience and public testimony, not a ritual that imparts grace — “Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel” (1 Corinthians 1:17).
Peter clarifies the symbolism — “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God” (1 Peter 3:21).
So baptism has no saving power by itself. It’s an outward declaration of the salvation already received by grace through faith in Christ.
Grace and Peace
Here’s the biblical summary (KJV-based):
It represents our identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection — “Buried with him in baptism… raised with him through the faith of the operation of God” (Colossians 2:12).
It follows salvation, it doesn’t cause it — “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16). Notice unbelief condemns, not lack of baptism.
It’s an act of obedience and public testimony, not a ritual that imparts grace — “Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel” (1 Corinthians 1:17).
Peter clarifies the symbolism — “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God” (1 Peter 3:21).
So baptism has no saving power by itself. It’s an outward declaration of the salvation already received by grace through faith in Christ.
Grace and Peace
Where is it written that water baptism is called a symbol? Peter called it an antitype, which is the opposite of a symbolic thing that points to it.
Peter’s use of “antitype” in 1 Peter 3:21 doesn’t mean baptism itself saves. An antitype is a "corresponding" figure — baptism "corresponds" to salvation through Christ, just as Noah’s ark "corresponds" to deliverance through judgment.
Peter immediately clarifies that it’s not the water that saves (“not the putting away of the filth of the flesh”), but the appeal of a good conscience toward God — something that comes only by faith.
In context with Acts 10 and 1 Peter 1:23, baptism is the outward sign of the inward reality — salvation by grace through faith in the risen Christ.
Grace and Peace, always in His Word.
I'm trying to understand at what point men decided that water baptism was merely symbolic, rather than having the more serious implications associated with it from the beginning of the faith. I don't think that came from the Orthodox or Catholic churches, so it had to come from the Protestant reformation. What gave them the warrant to change its importance?
The early church didn’t invent baptism’s meaning — Scripture itself defines it. The apostles consistently linked salvation to faith in Christ’s finished work, not to ritual acts (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9; Romans 10:9–10). Baptism follows that faith as the outward confession of an inward reality (Acts 10:44–48; Romans 6:3–4).
When human tradition conflicts with clear Scripture, Scripture must have the final word — just as Jesus corrected traditions that obscured God’s intent (Mark 7:6–9).
We both agree baptism is important; the question is what truly saves — the water, or the faith that unites us with Christ?
Grace and peace, always in His Word.
No of course the early church didn’t invent baptism’s meaning; God did. You're casting doubt on what Peter explicitly stated, that baptism now saves us, and using other verses pertaining to salvation that don't mention baptism to undermine and invalidate what he said in order to establish an opposing idea as the truth. The ritual act of baptism is done in faith and is therefore not opposed to salvation by faith. Acts 2:38 contradicts your claim that "Baptism follows that faith as the outward confession of an inward reality". That's just something you've made up, or heard from others and are just repeating.
Clear Scripture states:
Water baptism was a rite that God established and Jesus obeyed, so it is more than a tradition. In fact he said unless a man is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
What truly saves is obeying God, and all indications are that water baptism is commanded by God.[/QUOTE]
Clear Scripture states:
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ into the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
andThe antitype, baptism, also now saves us. Not the laying aside of filth of flesh, but the petition of a good conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:21
These should be the final word because they are so explicit. leaving no room for doubt.Water baptism was a rite that God established and Jesus obeyed, so it is more than a tradition. In fact he said unless a man is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
What truly saves is obeying God, and all indications are that water baptism is commanded by God.[/QUOTE]
Brother, I agree completely that God instituted baptism and that obedience matters. The question isn’t whether baptism is important; it’s what Peter and the apostles meant when they said it “saves.”
In 1 Peter 3:21 (KJV), Peter immediately explains how: “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” The saving element isn’t the water; it’s the inner appeal of faith made possible through Christ’s resurrection. The outward act points to that inward reality; just as the ark pointed to God’s deliverance, not the flood itself.
In Acts 2:38 (KJV), Peter is speaking to repentant Jews who had already believed his message—Acts 2:37 (KJV) says they were “pricked in their heart.” Baptism was their public confession of that faith, the way they called on His name (compare Acts 22:16 (KJV) with Romans 10:13 (KJV)). Everywhere else in Acts, faith clearly precedes baptism (Acts 10:44–48; Acts 16:31–33, KJV).
Jesus’ words in John 3:5 (KJV)—“Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”—echo Ezekiel 36:25–27 (KJV), where God promises, “Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you… and a new spirit will I put within you.” The Lord was describing spiritual cleansing and rebirth by the Spirit, not a physical ritual.
So yes, baptism is commanded—but Scripture never presents it as the cause of regeneration. The new birth happens when we believe the gospel (John 1:12–13; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 2:8–9, KJV). Baptism follows as obedience and testimony of that faith.
Grace and peace, always in His Word.
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25
It’s like you’re asking what truly saved Noah ? God giving him grace and telling him how to build the ark and be saved ? Or Noah acting upon what he said would save him ?
It’s part of the same jesus shed his blood and died for our sins . Hownis this applies to an individual though ? Jesus died for all the worlds sin this doesn’t save everyone but what if someone’s baptized in his name who died for thier sins as Gods doctrine teaches ? We’re taught that we are baptized into his death for our sins and raised with him through faith. It’s why we are buried beneath water in his name and then raised up again we’re being baptized , partaking of Jesus death for our sins
Its like accepting a gift we only get baptized because we believe the gospel ( Jesus died for our sins and rose again ) so then after this we act upon that faith in his name for remission of sins
Brother, that’s a thoughtful illustration, and I agree that genuine faith always acts in obedience. Noah believed God’s warning first; that’s why he built the ark. His obedience proved his faith, but it wasn’t the act of hammering wood that saved him; it was trusting the God who promised deliverance.
The same pattern runs through the gospel. We are “saved by grace through faith” (Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV) — faith comes first, and the works follow as its fruit. Romans 10:9–10 (KJV) says, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Baptism then follows as the believer’s confession in water — a picture of dying and rising with Christ (Romans 6:3–4 KJV).
Even Peter clarifies that the saving part of baptism isn’t the water: 1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) — “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” The power that saves isn’t in the water; it’s in the risen Christ and the faith that unites us to Him.
So yes true faith acts (just like Noah), but the act itself isn’t what saves. It’s the believing heart responding to God’s grace. Baptism is our joyful obedience — the outward testimony of an inward faith already made alive in Christ.
Grace and peace, always in His Word.
No one is saying water saves. The submision to God through baptism is what saves. According to Peter the outward act doesn't point to an inward reality, it changes the inward reality by cleansing the conscience.
Faith does clearly precede baptism, but submission in faith to God's command to be baptized is what saves.
That Ezekiel verse must have been what Jesus was referring to when he said a man must be born of water and the spirit before he can enter the kingdom of God. That spiritual cleansing and rebirth by the Spirit takes place in the rite of baptism.
No one is saying baptism causes regeneration; regeneration is the work of God that happens during baptism. Baptism does follow as obedience and testimony of faith and is when the justification and regeneration which that faith enables occurs.
Faith does clearly precede baptism, but submission in faith to God's command to be baptized is what saves.
That Ezekiel verse must have been what Jesus was referring to when he said a man must be born of water and the spirit before he can enter the kingdom of God. That spiritual cleansing and rebirth by the Spirit takes place in the rite of baptism.
No one is saying baptism causes regeneration; regeneration is the work of God that happens during baptism. Baptism does follow as obedience and testimony of faith and is when the justification and regeneration which that faith enables occurs.
This is illogical reasoning. The act of hammering clearly did save him, for if he hadn't done so he wouldn't have been saved . He hammered because he trusted God and was saved.
In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for dong good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).
While it is true that Abraham was declared righteous because he believed God, it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works because he believed God (Genesis 18:19) and that he offered Isaac because he believed God (Hebrews 11:17), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied through his works by being an obeyer of God, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his obedience (Romans 4:1-5). Similarly, the faith by which we are being saved is also embodied by being a doer of good works but we do not earn our salvation as the result of our works (Ephesians 2:8-10). The faith by which we are being saved is also embodied through baptism, but we do not earn our salvation as the result of baptism.
Ezekiel 36 verses 25-26 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
Brother, I appreciate your thoughtful tone and desire to honor God’s commands. Where we differ isn’t in valuing baptism; it’s in where Scripture places the saving act of God.
Peter’s own words show that baptism doesn’t create a clean conscience but expresses it:
1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) — “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
The word answer (Greek eperōtēma) means appeal or response—a conscience already awakened by faith appealing to God. That’s why he says it’s “by the resurrection,” not by the water.
When Cornelius and his household believed, the Holy Ghost fell on them before baptism (Acts 10:44–48 KJV). Their hearts were purified by faith (Acts 15:8–9 KJV). Baptism followed, confirming a work God had already done.
As for John 3:5 (KJV), the phrase “born of water and of the Spirit” echoes Ezekiel 36:25–27 (KJV): “Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you… and a new spirit will I put within you.” Jesus was describing the spiritual cleansing of the new birth, not the physical rite itself—He was pointing Nicodemus to inner renewal by the Spirit.
So while baptism is an act of obedience flowing from faith, Scripture never locates justification or regeneration in the water but in Christ Himself through faith in His finished work (Ephesians 2:8–9; Titus 3:5 KJV).
Basically, faith receives the gift; baptism declares it.
Grace and peace, always in His Word.
I really appreciate how you tied Abraham’s faith and obedience together — that’s beautifully said. True faith always produces obedience, just as Abraham’s belief led him to act. The works didn’t create his righteousness, but they proved it — as James 2:22 (KJV) says, “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?”
Likewise, the believer’s baptism flows naturally from faith — not as a work to earn grace, but as the visible confession of the grace already received. Ephesians 2:8–10 (KJV) reminds us: “For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works… For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works.”
So yes, the faith that saves is a faith that acts — Abraham built the altar because he already trusted God, and the believer enters the water because he already trusts the risen Christ. The act doesn’t earn salvation; it expresses it.
Grace and peace, always in His Word.
You cannot be considered a person of faith unless you act in faith.
Simple belief in something is not faith ....its just belief .
To be called faithful is to one who acts in faith.
There has been so many threads about baptism but no one can define a one true meaning surrounding it.
Jesus being baptized him self and calling all others to baptise and be baptized should be cause enough but the debate on its one purpose goes on to the point that some agree its not necessary.
Jesus made a straight way to John and from John before his ministry for this purpose of baptism.
In conclusion we should also seek to follow the saviors example.
Simple belief in something is not faith ....its just belief .
To be called faithful is to one who acts in faith.
There has been so many threads about baptism but no one can define a one true meaning surrounding it.
Jesus being baptized him self and calling all others to baptise and be baptized should be cause enough but the debate on its one purpose goes on to the point that some agree its not necessary.
Jesus made a straight way to John and from John before his ministry for this purpose of baptism.
In conclusion we should also seek to follow the saviors example.
Brother, I completely agree that true faith acts — simple belief without obedience isn’t biblical faith. As James 2:17 (KJV) says, “Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
When Jesus was baptized, it wasn’t because He needed cleansing, but to “fulfil all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15 KJV). His baptism set the pattern of humble obedience, not a ritual for salvation. Just as His righteousness was perfect before entering the water, the believer’s righteousness comes by faith before baptism — through union with His death and resurrection (Romans 6:3–4 KJV).
We follow His example because we love and trust Him — not to earn salvation, but to express it. Faith without obedience is incomplete, but obedience without faith is empty.
Grace and peace, always in His Word.
I believe water baptism is essential to salvation.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Water
From the base of G5205; water (as if rainy) literally or figuratively: - water.
From a primary word ὕω huō (to rain); rain, especially a shower: - rain.
Jesus said we must be born of water and the Spirit to enter heaven.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles were baptized in the name of Jesus.
Also Peter said baptism is for the remission of sins.
Remission
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.
And why the Bible says what is His name and His Son's name for they would share the same name.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
If everything we do in word and deed is to be done in Jesus' name why would we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Which are not names but titles and the name is singular.
The disciples baptized every person in the name of Jesus.
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Water baptism does now save us.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
If we are baptized into Jesus' death we shall rise to newness of life.
I believe we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus.
Which He died on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead, and we repent of our sins, and are baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit.
So baptism is part of the salvation plan of God.
God is a fair God and will not condemn people that have not heard the word of God.
Which they will be judged by their conscious and their belief in a higher power and their love for people.
Which creation testifies there is a God and of His attributes which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter.
Which testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people.
When the dead rise to be judged if they loved God and loved people not offending them, and asked God for forgiveness if anything is amiss they can be with God.
They cannot be with Jesus for they did not know the word of God but they can be with Him after the millennial reign of Christ.
So people that were on their way to be baptized but died before baptism, the thief on the cross that could not do anything, people that said confess Jesus but did not mention baptism or it is not essential and they did not come to that conclusion and died, or any legitimate reason they should be saved.
God knows the intentions of people, and their heart, and knows whether they legitimately are not ignoring the truth but have a legitimate reason for not coming to the truth, or they are ignoring the truth not believing what the Bible says that they have come across.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Charity, love in action, works is greater than faith.
No love then no faith then no salvation.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Love is only valid when done in works.
We are saved by faith, and not by works, when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.
But when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love for faith to be active in our life.
Because love is greater than faith and love is the fulfilling of the law.
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power.
They try to carry not saved by works throughout their Christian walk but we have to have works of love to have saving faith.
For a person has to have the right perspective of God's kingdom is love so they better help the poor and needy, and wherever else a person needs help.
They say baptism is a work so it is not necessary but faith is a work for the Bible says the work of faith for all we think and do is a work.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Water
From the base of G5205; water (as if rainy) literally or figuratively: - water.
From a primary word ὕω huō (to rain); rain, especially a shower: - rain.
Jesus said we must be born of water and the Spirit to enter heaven.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles were baptized in the name of Jesus.
Also Peter said baptism is for the remission of sins.
Remission
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.
And why the Bible says what is His name and His Son's name for they would share the same name.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
If everything we do in word and deed is to be done in Jesus' name why would we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Which are not names but titles and the name is singular.
The disciples baptized every person in the name of Jesus.
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Water baptism does now save us.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
If we are baptized into Jesus' death we shall rise to newness of life.
I believe we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus.
Which He died on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead, and we repent of our sins, and are baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit.
So baptism is part of the salvation plan of God.
God is a fair God and will not condemn people that have not heard the word of God.
Which they will be judged by their conscious and their belief in a higher power and their love for people.
Which creation testifies there is a God and of His attributes which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter.
Which testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people.
When the dead rise to be judged if they loved God and loved people not offending them, and asked God for forgiveness if anything is amiss they can be with God.
They cannot be with Jesus for they did not know the word of God but they can be with Him after the millennial reign of Christ.
So people that were on their way to be baptized but died before baptism, the thief on the cross that could not do anything, people that said confess Jesus but did not mention baptism or it is not essential and they did not come to that conclusion and died, or any legitimate reason they should be saved.
God knows the intentions of people, and their heart, and knows whether they legitimately are not ignoring the truth but have a legitimate reason for not coming to the truth, or they are ignoring the truth not believing what the Bible says that they have come across.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Charity, love in action, works is greater than faith.
No love then no faith then no salvation.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Love is only valid when done in works.
We are saved by faith, and not by works, when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.
But when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love for faith to be active in our life.
Because love is greater than faith and love is the fulfilling of the law.
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power.
They try to carry not saved by works throughout their Christian walk but we have to have works of love to have saving faith.
For a person has to have the right perspective of God's kingdom is love so they better help the poor and needy, and wherever else a person needs help.
They say baptism is a work so it is not necessary but faith is a work for the Bible says the work of faith for all we think and do is a work.