Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Dan_473

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I think I know what channeling mean, more like people claim have ability to invite dead ancestor to his body than He change his voice like the dead and give us direction or guidance about job or some thing else, but why you relate to this article?
That's a quote from the article.
 

Dan_473

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What is channeling have to do with the information that people in Vatican may waiting for alien savior?
the web page that you linked to in support of your view quotes from a spirit medium.

I don't think that web page is a reliable source of information.
 

Dan_473

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That article have nothing to do with wether Vatican wait for alien savior or not
that's correct.

I think it does have a lot to do, however, with the kinds of articles the website posts and their reliability.
 

Jackson123

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the web page that you linked to in support of your view quotes from a spirit medium.



I don't think that web page is a reliable source of information.
Can you prove that web lie about Vatican may waiting for alien savior?

It may lie for something else but you don't need use channeling medium to get information about Vatican waiting for alien savior
 

Jackson123

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that's correct.

I think it does have a lot to do, however, with the kinds of articles the website posts and their reliability.
But for wether Vatican waiting possibility alien savior that web is reliable
 

Dan_473

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Can you prove that web lie about Vatican may waiting for alien savior?
well generally speaking,
the "burden of proof" is assumed to be on the person making the assertion.

It may lie for something else but you don't need use channeling medium to get information about Vatican waiting for alien savior
if you have information from a reliable source about the Vatican waiting for a savior from outer space, please post it.
 

Jackson123

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well generally speaking,
the "burden of proof" is assumed to be on the person making the assertion.


if you have information from a reliable source about the Vatican waiting for a savior from outer space, please post it.
The burden of proof equals for you because you say this web not reliable or lie.

https://www.amazon.com/Exo-Vaticana-L-U-C-I-F-R-Vaticans-Astonishing/dp/0984825630

Exo-Vaticana : Petrus Romanus, Project L.U.C.I.F.E.R. And the Vatican's Astonishing Plan for the Arrival of an Alien Savior Paperback – March 26, 2013
 

Dan_473

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The burden of proof equals for you because you say this web not reliable or lie.
I don't believe I said the website lied.
that's because most people say that in order for something to be a lie, the person saying it must be aware that it is not true.

but I do think that website was unreliable.
that's because I don't believe spirit mediums give reliable information.
imo, they are either con artists or receiving messages from demons.

but if a person wishes to listen to spirit mediums, that is up to them.

https://www.amazon.com/Exo-Vaticana-L-U-C-I-F-R-Vaticans-Astonishing/dp/0984825630

Exo-Vaticana : Petrus Romanus, Project L.U.C.I.F.E.R. And the Vatican's Astonishing Plan for the Arrival of an Alien Savior Paperback – March 26, 2013
as you probably already know, pretty much anyone can write a book and put it up on Amazon.
I know people that have done just that.

since I don't have access to the book, I don't know if it is a carefully researched and source scholarly work, or if it is someone's opinions.
 

Dan_473

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I am don't believe if there any posible savior other then Jesus. Vatican not sure.
Acts 4:9 if we are examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, 10 be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you whole. 11 He is 'the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the builders, which has become the head of the corner.' 12 There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among humans, by which we must be saved!"

of course there are many such scriptures in the Bible.
but notice that the Bible does qualify it just slightly, it says "given among humans".

my brother-in-law says that the day that they discover intelligent life on other planets is the day he becomes an atheist.

that sounds like a pretty dangerous gamble to me!

since the Bible isn't clear about whether there is life on other planets or not, it also isn't clear about how they fit into the plan of salvation, or even if they do.

it's purely speculation at this point.
since it is speculation, I wouldn't say a person can't be a Christian if they think there could be intelligent life on other planets.
 

Prycejosh1987

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Where do they differ and why?
Do both lead to salvation? Why or why not?
How should we treat each other?
I would that Catholicism is Protestantism filled with traditions and godly reverence for the people that was with Jesus. They say that Mary is Jesus actual God mother and even pray to Mary. They call priests father, they think communion is with Jesus real blood and real flesh. There are alot of problems with Catholicism, Whether they get saved or not depends on the person's personal beliefs, because there are some truths to the catholic faith. If a person is catholic and focuses on Jesus and him alone and has all the traditions and beliefs of Protestantism then its possible that that person will be saved. But praying to saint Peter, saint Paul, etc and Mary is heresy.
 

Prycejosh1987

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but I do think that website was unreliable.
that's because I don't believe spirit mediums give reliable information.
imo, they are either con artists or receiving messages from demons.

but if a person wishes to listen to spirit mediums, that is up to them.
I dont think someone should listen to them period. I went to a palm reader, he was very roundabout in what he said about me, there as some truth, but i think he was basing things on what was obvious. Besides he said things that werent helping, its abit like horoscopes. They are not usually true but say things that some people can relate to. Demons are using people and things to show their views and works in people lives.
 

Dan_473

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I would that Catholicism is Protestantism filled with traditions and godly reverence for the people that was with Jesus. They say that Mary is Jesus actual God mother and even pray to Mary. They call priests father, they think communion is with Jesus real blood and real flesh. There are alot of problems with Catholicism, Whether they get saved or not depends on the person's personal beliefs, because there are some truths to the catholic faith. If a person is catholic and focuses on Jesus and him alone and has all the traditions and beliefs of Protestantism then its possible that that person will be saved. But praying to saint Peter, saint Paul, etc and Mary is heresy.
I hear what you're saying!

the situation reminds me of this
34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. 35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10&version=NLT
 

Dan_473

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@Jackson123
much love to you, my wonderful Christian brother Jackson!
thanks for the great discussion!