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Catholicism vs Protestantism
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That comment would seem to convey that mankind is to obey those who have authority over them. Not approval of one having slaves. For as Paul said, all are to place their hope and trust in Jesus not matter what situation one finds themselves in.
if a person uses both scripture and tradition,
then it looks to me like it's not "scripture only".
Each references Jesus' name. Not one biblical record uses the phrase instituted in 325 A.D. by the forerunners of the roman catholic church.
Provide scripture where someone calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) outside of water baptism.
I understand what you're saying.
at the same time, why not do both?
then all the bases are covered.
what I was getting at was that if a person is going to follow the Bible pattern as carefully as possible, then I think they would want to baptize in a river or stream.
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The phrase in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit was instituted by Jesus.
It was used before 325AD as I have already shown, first in a quote from a 1st century document, then in a 2nd century document.
Do you want more?
This is what the bible actually says about itself:
All Scripture is inspired by God.
It is to be used for doctrine; knowing what to believe.
Reproof; to express blame or disapproval against something that is in opposition to God's truth.
Correction; the action or process of correcting something in opposition to God's truth.
Instruction in righteousness; a direction or order that requires obedience in order to be in right standing with God.
That the man of God may be perfect; throughly furnished unto all good works.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. " 2 Tim 3:16-17
yes, I think that's a good way to interpret those passages,
looking at the general ideas being presented.
probably then a good idea to use that same approach to the entire Bible.
Differing weights and differing measures-- the LORD detests them both.
https://biblehub.com/proverbs/20-10.htm
2 Corinthians 3 "Such confidence we have through Christ toward God; 5 not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God; 6 who also made us sufficient as servants of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit.
For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
You mentioned the fact that the catholic church distorted Godly concepts that were reversed by the protestant reformation. Many fail to realize the catholic "church's" corruption concerning baptism. We are buried with Jesus, into His death, via water baptism. Man did not come up with that idea. God created it as seen in the word.
The infilling of the Holy Ghost did not replace water baptism. Both became necessary as witnessed in the word. Man obeys the command and submits to water baptism while God fills individuals with His Spirit.
Are you saying Jesus idea is weird?
John 5
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
The document of Christian tradition is in the Bible, there isn't pray to Mary there
well, that's one way to interpret what I wrote.
I think I said something like, let the reader decide...
The bible records nothing other than the use of the singular name of Jesus. Significant? Yes. God is specific concerning His instructions throughout the word. It is troubling that a tradition began and others are following the tradition instead of what is clearly conveyed in the word. It makes me think of the scripture that states broad is the way that leads unto destruction. There is a narrow way that few find. Why? Because people are following traditions instead of being obedient to God's word.
It upsets me to think that the flow of sheep (society) is complying with a deadly tradition instituted by the forerunners of the catholic church.
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We've been through all this before.
1. That says scripture is useful. It doesn't say that ONLY scripture is useful.
2. It says that with scripture a man is thoroughly furnished. It doesn't say that ONLY scripture is required to be thoroughly furnished.
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