Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Jackson123]

Possibly, possibly not.

the Navajo keep a lot of their religious ideas to themselves, so it's hard to say exactly what they are doing.

But it looks to me like they are falling into this error
Romans 1: 23 and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.

So the Muslims would be better off in that respect. As I understand it, they don't make images of God. (Classic Islamic art is just designs, from what I've seen.)

Don't get me wrong, Muslims are wrong about a lot of things! But making literal idols is something they don't do, I'm pretty sure.

My brother, idol isn't only statue. Money or fame can be idol. We as profess christian may worship money
And I believe in God prespective, No one can worship mammon and God in the same time.

It doesn't matter If we profess Christian worship money, than we not worship God

Matthew 6:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

It doesn't say worship here but I believe worship include the word serve.
Can you serve God but refused to worship God?

 

[tanakh]

Protestants and Catholics are both Christians and we should treat each other as part of the Christian family. We both believe in the basic tenants of Christianity. Catholics have some additional beliefs, in part because they accept the Apocrypha. Before discussing which books should or should not be in the Bible, let's remember that Martin Luther wanted to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelations from the Bible because these books emphasized works. Yes, both lead to salvation.

Martin Luther not only wanted to remove those books he did remove them. They were put back after his death. There are many things
one can learn from Catholics, Muslims and others. Disagreeing with some elements of their teaching is one thing pronouncing damnation on them because they hold certain beliefs contrary to ones own is a step too far.

 

[Dan_473]

So you believe worship Father also worship the Son?

Yes in the sense "...that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity".

At the same time, we want to
neither confound the Persons, nor divide the Essence.

Does that make sense?

 

[Dan_473]

I don’t know much on Protestant belief, do they do the bazaar Mary the intercession thing

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox talk a lot about Mary. Maybe you're thinking of one of those groups?

 

[Dan_473]

What is your definition of coming to the Father?

I think coming to the father is probably a kind of shorthand for this
Hebrews 12: 22 But you have come to Mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels, 23 to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel.

And
1 Peter 2: 9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the excellence of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: 10 who in time past were no people, but now are God's people, who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

And
Revelation 22: 17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" He who hears, let him say, "Come!" He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[Dan_473]

I read about the link

Tha Father is God

The Son is God

The Holy Spirit is God

The Father not the Son and Not the Holy Spirit.

So If you say God, It can be Father, Son, Holy Spirit or all of them.

Ccc 841 do not say Father only so It mean all there

Well, yes, in the sense that God is a trinity.

And islam not adore the Son as God, so ccc 841 is Lie

It's true that Muslims do not adore Jesus as God.
And one must add or Jesus as God to worship in spirit and in truth.

I don't think CCC 841 says that Muslims worship God in spirit and in truth.
My opinion, they are more like the Samaritans, worshipping something they don't know.

 

[Dan_473]

We may mean Christian since Paul say jews were ignorance or lack of knoledge about God.
What we know Seem refer to have full knowledge of God, not jews

If you look at the context, I think you can see that the woman says "you Jews", and she asks a question about worship.
Jesus continues her line of inquiry, saying that Samaritans are worshipping, and Jews are worshiping.
Jews are better off than Samaritans, because Jews are worshiping something or someone they know.

John 4: 19 The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship." 21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father. 22 You worship that which you don't know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews.

But then Jesus goes on to say that it's neither the Samaritan kind of worship or the Jewish kind of worship that God really wants.
What God really wants is something beyond those, he wants worship in spirit and in truth.

And I think we both agree that Muslims don't worship in spirit and in truth!

 

[Dan_473]

Jews not believe in what Moses wrote.

Moses wrote about God and Jesus

So jews do not believe about God and Jesus

I believe you are still mixing up believing something and believing in something.

James 2: 19 You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe, and shudder.

But it doesn't say that the demons believe in God.

*************
Maybe another example will help
I believe the US Constitution exists.
I believe in the US Constitution.

 

[mailmandan]

I believe you are still mixing up believing something and believing in something.

James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe, and shudder.

But it doesn't say that the demons believe in God.

*************
Maybe another example will help
I believe the US Constitution exists.
I believe in the US Constitution.

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," BUT they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan (instead of Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

Here is another example.
I believe that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened."
I trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation.

 

[Dan_473]

My brother, idol isn't only statue. Money or fame can be idol. We as profess christian may worship money
And I believe in God prespective, No one can worship mammon and God in the same time.

It doesn't matter If we profess Christian worship money, than we not worship God

Matthew 6:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

It doesn't say worship here but I believe worship include the word serve.
Can you serve God but refused to worship God?

Yes, I hear what you're saying!

And that's why I specified "literal idols".

Some cultures and religions set up actual physical images of their gods. Muslims don't do that, from what I've seen.

 

[Dan_473]

Well, yes, in the sense that God is a trinity.


It's true that Muslims do not adore Jesus as God.
And one must add or Jesus as God to worship in spirit and in truth.

I don't think CCC 841 says that Muslims worship God in spirit and in truth.
My opinion, they are more like the Samaritans, worshipping something they don't know.

Oops!
This
And one must add or Jesus as God to worship in spirit and in truth.

Should say
And one must
adore
Jesus as God to worship in spirit and in truth.

 

[Dan_473]

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," BUT they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan (instead of Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

Here is another example.
I believe that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened."
I trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation.

That's a good explanation of something that even native English speakers sometimes have difficulty with!
(Our brother Jackson is from Indonesia.)

 

[Jackson123]

Muslim do not believe in trinity
Wich God muslim adore together with catholic?

God the Father? Muslim do not believe there is such God

112.3. "He begets not, nor is He begotten.

لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ​

 

[Jackson123]

That's a good explanation of something that even native English speakers sometimes have difficulty with!
(Our brother Jackson is from Indonesia.)

If you have difficulty to understand me, please ask, I Will be Happy to explain more

 

[Dan_473]

Muslim do not believe in trinity
Wich God muslim adore together with catholic?

I don't think a person has to believe in the Trinity to worship God.
A person would have to believe in the Trinity to worship God in spirit and in truth, though.

I think the issue is the same that we were talking about before
Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Which person of the trinity do Jews have a zeal of?
Or do you think the verse is not properly translated?
Again, I can wait for you to decide. Take your time.

 

[JamOn]

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox talk a lot about Mary. Maybe you're thinking of one of those groups?

No I was thinking about protestant and Catholic the difference in those two and was wondering if the Protestants do the same praying to Mary.

 

[Dan_473]

If you have difficulty to understand me, please ask, I Will be Happy to explain more

Right, and if there's something you write that I don't understand, I do ask you to clarify.

Did you follow what mailmandan was saying?

 

[Dan_473]

No I was thinking about protestant and Catholic the difference in those two and was wondering if the Protestants do the same praying to Mary.

Generally, Protestants do not pray to Mary.

But there are some people who grew up Catholic but currently attend an Episcopal Church, because they like the liberal ideas there. And sometimes they keep some Catholic practices.

I was once part of an Episcopal group that also had a rosary club.

 

[JamOn]

Generally, Protestants do not pray to Mary.

But there are some people who grew up Catholic but currently attend an Episcopal Church, because they like the liberal ideas there. And sometimes they keep some Catholic practices.

I was once part of an Episcopal group that also had a rosary club.

Ive attended a couple of catholic services just to check it out but didn’t get any good vibes from it, i haven’t been to a Protestant or Episcopal church yet but I do travel around from time to time checking out different churches and their practices so I’ll put those on my bucket list lol.

but the idea of Mary having compassion for the people at the wedding in Cana completely boggles me

 

[Dan_473]

Ive attended a couple of catholic services just to check it out but didn’t get any good vibes from it, i haven’t been to a Protestant or Episcopal church yet but I do travel around from time to time checking out different churches and their practices so I’ll put those on my bucket list lol.

but the idea of Mary having compassion for the people at the wedding in Cana completely boggles me

Most people say that episcopalians are Protestants, though some say they aren't.

What do you currently believe? Like you, I've been to several different groups. Maybe we can learn from each other's experiences!