Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Dino246]

Changing whose subject?

Oh my goodness... you don't even understand this basic concept?

Exactly he was accusing

No, he was not "accusing" anyone of anything. He simply said, "Good Master". It's not an accusation. If you understood basic grammar, you would understand the verse. As it is, you don't understand either.

the Christ the anointing teacher not seen that worked in the Son of man seen

No; that's heresy. Jesus IS Christ. Jesus IS the Son of man. Jesus IS the anointed One.

calling him according to what the eyes see Good Master. Jesus knew that he could not serve the flesh which he said profits for nothing, zero and the unseen Spirit that worked in him .He gave glory to the father in the greater postion of that one work of faith and said. . . one is Good, God.

Confused blather.

Impossible to serve two infallible teaching Masters .

That's ridiculous, because there aren't "two infallible teaching Masters". There is One Who is infallible: God. Jesus IS God.

That is seen also in the parable in Luke 16. The Rich man and Lazarus.

No, it is not. It's in Luke 16:13, several verses before the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, which starts in verse 19.

 

[cv5]

Would this be true for Jude as well, if he quotes The book of Enoch?

No. However, that line item IS truth as it has been canonized......not the entire book. Much of Enoch may be truth, but not inpsired. As with any other tome of an historical nature.

BTW....I have been observing your posts and much of what I see is incoherency, confusion, heresy and doubt. Tragically.

So I take it you are RC?

 

[Jackson123]

That's fine if you want to say you don't know. But, imo, then you're not in a position to criticize the Catholic answer to that question.

I am not agree with catholic

Catholic say Islam adore abraham god, that is lie

 

[Jackson123]

If I answer your question now, there is a good chance that we will reach a wrong conclusion, or continue our misunderstanding.

So, do you want me to answer your question now?

Yes

 

[cv5]

This is just my take, so I'm not saying that it's 100% correct.
I believe the main difference has to do with authority. The RCC ascribes the authority of it's teaching to the Scriptures and tradition and also the pope.
The Protestant Church protested about RCC's authority, claiming that the Church shouldn't be structured in that way. They believe in "Solar Scripture", so it seems to be about authority in my humble view.
Salvation is possible in both, because both confess that Christ is Lord.
We should treat each other, as we would like to be treated. You know the, do onto others as thou would's have them do onto ye

I think you mean "Sola Scriptura". See the "five solas".

 

[Jackson123]

Right, it doesn't say they meet in Rome.

The Christians in Rome went to meet Paul as he was nearing Rome.


Did you take some time to look through the commentaries in the link that I posted?

The letter is to small, so I read some but I am not agree that the Christian was from Rome.

Say it is from Rome, usually if they meet 43 mile away, they only sent some delegation view people only, the elderly or children not go with them, then they make welcome party in Rome, but that was not happen.

Not a verse say there was a church in Rome prior that. No sign of Peter et all that mean what catholic teach pope is peter successor is lie

 

[Dan_473]

I would agree the unseen power of the the two working as one. Same unseen power that can work in us to both will and do the good pleasure of Him not seen. . He can make our hearts soft by creating it anew.

And since Jesus is God in a physical human body, we can address Jesus as Really, Truly Good Teacher.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This is just my take, so I'm not saying that it's 100% correct.
I believe the main difference has to do with authority. The RCC ascribes the authority of it's teaching to the Scriptures and tradition and also the pope.
The Protestant Church protested about RCC's authority, claiming that the Church shouldn't be structured in that way. They believe in "Solar Scripture", so it seems to be about authority in my humble view.
Salvation is possible in both, because both confess that Christ is Lord.
We should treat each other, as we would like to be treated. You know the, do onto others as thou would's have them do onto ye

I haven't stayed updated for the last few pages so I will say this though. I doubt anyone is 100% correct in how to respond. We have as Protestants the Bible and Holy Spirit as the authority. With that being said there are many scriptures about warning and defending against false teachings, warnings against the legalistic system of religion, and is quite clear salvation comes as grace through faith alone. That salvation comes from faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

If the RCC hold to salvation comes from Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior but has in my view many unbiblical doctrines. Then in my opinion I believe God is the only one who can sort out the hearts of the RCC crowd.

I'm sure there are Jesus followers or hearts who are truly after Jesus but are lost in the sea of centuries worth of false dogma and traditions.

I believe we pray for them, correct when necessary in a friendly loving manner, always make more of Jesus in the discussion than pope's, father's, priests, etc. But we also examine the fruit. Is God working in the individual even within the jumbled theology?

Unbelievers are treated in a manner where we know they are not believers so they are not held to the same standards as believers. A believer on the other hand Paul tells us to correct, rebuke, and in some extreme cases to kick out the church if unrepentant sin is causing problems. So it is according to how you define the golden rule. Scripture tells us to correct, defend, rebuke, or even weed out the problem. A sick and contagious sheep could infect and destroy the flock. Just as unrepentant sin and false teachings can poison the church as it restricts its credibility in the eyes of unbelievers.

Sometimes a Shepherd has to protect the flock and that doesn't end with treating the wolf how it wants to be treated. The wolf being the influence of Satan just as Jesus sternly told Peter, " Get behind me Satan!" As Peter was trying to stop the will of God. Someone in our church could be a Peter or some could be a Judas. One from ignorance while the other in purposeful intentions. The flock must be protected either way. No one said being a leader would make you popular. In fact most in scripture was martyred.

 

[Jackson123]

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1. A brief history of the impact of "Nostra aetate" (No.4) over the last 50 years

1. "Nostra aetate" (No.4) is rightly counted among those documents of the Second Vatican Council which have been able to effect, in a particularly striking manner, a new direction of the Catholic Church since then. This shift in the relations of the Church with the Jewish people and Judaism becomes apparent only when we recall that there were previously great reservations on both sides, in part because the history of Christianity has been seen to be discriminatory against Jews, even including attempts at forced conversion (cf. "Evangelii gaudium", 248). The background of this complex connection consists inter alia in an asymmetrical relationship: as a minority the Jews were often confronted by and dependent upon a Christian majority. The dark and terrible shadow of the Shoah over Europe during the Nazi period led the Church to reflect anew on her bond with the Jewish people.

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the history of Christianity has been seen to be discriminatory against Jews, even including attempts at forced conversion

What is christianity mean in this sentence?

This published by Vatican, so the word Christian here is catholic. I never hear Protestant force Jews to be Protestant.

If you read this publication, I agree with New York time, BBC news, the guardian etc Vatican say not to convert jews

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35061357

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/10/vatican-tells-catholics-not-to-attempt-to-convert-jews

I believe the reason of this publication is to convert Jews to joint one world religion to support one world government, the antichrist government

I wacth video from catholic about the different between catholic and Protestant, they say authority

It may true, but from that different, born a lot more teaching like pray to Mary, Mary as co redeemer, Mary appointed to heaven Muslim worship abraham god Peter the first pope in Rome and a lot more lie doctrine

 

[garee]

And since Jesus is God in a physical human body, we can address Jesus as Really, Truly Good Teacher.

When can address the Teacher not seen. Call no man on earth Teacher. He is not a man as us. Jesus was taught by a Really, Truly Good Teacher. We can follow His Spirit that dwelt in Him who dwells in us

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The unseen father draws the new creature and adds them to the family. The Son of man does not draw .He leads by example . In the last days the veil is rent he spoke directly through the Son a living parable of one God working as two establishing the government of peace that surpasses our understanding . We have a shadow of it in these earthen bodies.

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45

Not everyone that leans of me (seen the temporal ) comes to me. That would require no faith

If we do not learn of the Father not seen. Then we cannot come to the Son who was seen.

The law of faith is the power to believe that not seen. It as that not seen comes by first hearing the voice of another with power to move. Called a work of faith . .

Lazarus Rise. His responsibility give faith that can move to hear. . Brothers and sisters remove the grave clothing. Our responsibility to love one another in that manner. .

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. John 6:43-44

 

[Dino246]

Jesus was taught by a Really, Truly Good Teacher.

Jesus IS the really, truly good Teacher. Jesus is God. That is the clear teaching of Scripture.

The unseen father draws the new creature and adds them to the family. The Son of man does not draw .

That is not true. In John 12:32, Jesus says, "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

 

[Jackson123]

I believe the different between catholic and Protestant not only authority but foundation.

For example no salvation out side catholic.

This is very foundation

Catholic teach pope is an apostle, Peter successor, base on false history Peter was first pope in Rome

I don't believe this very importent history that will decide the teaching of the church, not in the Bible.

This is her theory

Peter was the apostle leader and reign from Rome

So his successor, the pope of Rome must be world Christian leader.

That is why she make false history to put Peter in Rome to legitimized pope leadership

And because pope represent jesus (King of king) that rule the world so pope must rule the world

That is why pope promote one world government

https://catholiccitizens.org/uncate...otes-one-world-govt-opposes-christs-kingship/

 

[garee]

Jesus IS the really, truly good Teacher. Jesus is God. That is the clear teaching of Scripture.


That is not true. In John 12:32, Jesus says, "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Jesus said to call no man on earth teacher rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal voice of the father

Yes, if the Lord not seen teaches us when I am lifted up from the earth, that work of his will draw all people to myself.

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6: 29

He did not say it is the work of the Good Master the Son of man seen that gives us the power to believe the father not seen . (upside down)

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37

Why will the Son of man not cast them out. because its not his business. He did not draw them . the Good Master did

Not all that comes from looking at corrupted flesh comes to me .

The same murmurers in Philippians 2:13 -14 That complain rather than rejoice that it is God that works in them to both will and do his good pleasure. not like as those murmurers who desire to add their own personal touch of self edification .
They desire they have flesh and blood as the Good Master .Those disciples walked away in unbelief..... no faith ...None..... zero. .. . void

But again Jesus did not say disregard the law that says we are to call no man on earth Good Master. . for one id , uno, solo our eternal Lord and Good Master not seen . . called the law of faith (believing not seeing)

Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.John 6: 43-45

God is not a man as us .He is God like no other.

 

[Jackson123]

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Judaism is not to be considered simply as another religion; the Jews are instead our 'elder brothers' (Saint Pope John Paul II), our 'fathers in faith' (Benedict XVI). Jesus was a Jew, was at home in the Jewish tradition of his time, and was decisively shaped by this religious milieu (cf. 'Ecclesia in Medio Oriente,' 20). His first disciples gathered around him had the same heritage and were defined by the same Jewish tradition in their everyday life."

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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...t-try-to-convert-jews-vatican-commission-says


Judaism is not consider simply as another religion?

What is that mean?

Is judaism and catholic one religion?

 

[Jackson123]

Daniel 9:27 King James Version (KJV)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

WORLD NEWSDECEMBER 10, 2015 / 5:12 AM / 4 YEARS AGO
Vatican says Catholics should not try to convert Jews, should fight anti-semitism
Philip Pullella
4 MIN READ
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Catholics should not try to convert Jews and should work with them to fight anti-Semitism, the Vatican said on Thursday in a major document drawing the Church further away from the strained relations of the past.

Is this the sign of Daniel prophecy Israel will make peace agreement for 7 years?

Catholic was Israel enemy, now go toward friendship

 

[Dino246]

Jesus said to call no man on earth teacher rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal voice of the father

No, Jesus said, "Call no man on earth, 'Rabbi' [Teacher], for One is your teacher, and you are all brothers."

Yes, if the Lord not seen teaches us when I am lifted up from the earth, that work of his will draw all people to myself.

The grammatical structure of Jesus' statement precludes that view. Jesus said, "I will draw all men to myself." The words in between don't negate that or introduce the Father as the subject.

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37

Why will the Son of man not cast them out. because its not his business. He did not draw them . the Good Master did

Wrong yet again. The Son will not cast them out because the Son loves them... not because it's "not his business". That idea is nowhere in the passage.

The same murmurers in Philippians 2:13 -14 That complain rather than rejoice that it is God that works in them to both will and do his good pleasure. not like as those murmurers who desire to add their own personal touch of self edification .

You really need to learn English grammar if you're going to attempt to argue points of doctrine. You're wrong here because you've conflated verse 14, which starts a new thought, into verse 13. Nobody was complaining that God works in them.

God is not a man as us .He is God like no other.

Jesus is God. If you disagree, then start a new thread on the subject.

 

[Dan_473]

If we use uncertainty mean they don't know for sure am o correct?

Not uncertainty, a mystery. That's the word the Bible uses as well.


Not a specific mission to the Jews, but a mission to the whole world which includes Jews. I think that's what they're saying.

Does the Catholic Church teach anywhere that they want to evangelize the whole world?

 

[Dan_473]

No. However, that line item IS truth as it has been canonized......not the entire book. Much of Enoch may be truth, but not inpsired. As with any other tome of an historical nature.

BTW....I have been observing your posts and much of what I see is incoherency, confusion, heresy and doubt. Tragically.

So I take it you are RC?

Why is it true for Jesus and Paul but not Jude?

No, I'm not Roman Catholic. I am interested in reducing divisions within the body of Christ.

 

[Dan_473]

I am not agree with catholic

Catholic say Islam adore abraham god, that is lie

It's fine if you don't want to agree with Catholics. But if you do not know the answer to the question of whether a person who has never heard of Jesus has the possibility of heaven, then logically you cannot say for sure that the Catholic answer to that question is wrong.


"Catholic say Islam adore abraham god, that is lie"

Well, but that's not the particular issue I was asking you about.

 

[Dan_473]

BTW....I have been observing your posts and much of what I see is incoherency, confusion, heresy and doubt.

Then it's a good thing you're here, hopefully you can help me!
I invite you to respond to any of the posts I've written to anyone here.