those who ignore the traditions of their church may have found a true faith. but it would be despite these errors not because of them
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those who ignore the traditions of their church may have found a true faith. but it would be despite these errors not because of them
Roman Catholicism does not properly teach that man is saved through faith in Christ alone. I've heard Roman Catholics admit that they hope to be saved by living a good life. They seek to obey the commandments, participate in the sacraments, go to church, do penance and give alms, recite prayers and so on, in the hope of receiving salvation.
In its official writings, the Roman Catholic church teaches that faith is important; but it also insists on the necessity of good works to receive eternal life. Here is what I read from the Council of Trent on Justification:
Canon 12. If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema.
Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice (righteousness) received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of the increase, let him be anathema.
Canon 30. If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema.
Canon 32. If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ (of whom one is a living member), the justified does not truly merit an increase of grace, and eternal life, provided that one dies in the state of grace, the attainment of this eternal life, as well as an increase in glory, let him be anathema.
Official Roman Catholic teaching would not allow the sinner to rely by faith on the mercy of God or to believe that his sins are forgiven through faith based on the merits of Christ's finished work of redemption alone. Something more is required. You must keep yourself saved by your own good works. You must merit grace and eternal life by your good works. You must pay the debt of sins by your purgatorial sufferings. That is the Roman Catholic "version" of salvation through faith, but it's really salvation through faith (their version of faith) AND works.
I may be a bit ignorant on this subject. It seems to me that the Catholics I have met believe in Jesus as the son of God. I personally may not align with the other stuff they teach but I find similar problems with Baptist Church. I think we are all loving God and learning so it is good.
Well, this all may be in semantics but A person who gives his life to Christ will be a transformed person. Good works will follow. I however believe the Bible teaches that Jesus did it all for our salvation nothing else required.
Yes, believers are transformed and good works will follow, which is what we are saved FOR and not by (Ephesians 2:8-10). Amen about Jesus doing it all and nothing else required. His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed.
I was recently in a discussion with a Roman Catholic who claims that the Roman Catholic church does not teach salvation by works, then afterwards said this below:
We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith".
Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES:
- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass (John 6:53-56)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- We must suffer with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)
His argument (through bad semantics and flawed hermeneutics) about faith being "defined as" and INCLUDES these works above is just sugar coated double talk and equates to salvation through faith (their version of faith) + works.
I agree. Most denominations teach similar things. I guess everybody has to have their own angle. I belong to a Presbyterian church currently ( anything goes). I attend a Baptist church because the church has great teaching.
The word of God is not an authority by which we could believe God to a Catholic. They must seek the approval of their fathers.To them the word of God cannot quicken a persons soul giving us His understanding . They insist we need a man (theirs) to teach us.
Catholicism's foundation is built on necromancy, that they call patron saints.
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Yes, God loves us all! But that is not going to matter if you are not worshiping the one true God and the ONLY way to heaven, Jesus Christ.
You are right about heresy. I think Angela was saying that there is too much acrimony on the forum; and any Catholic who might be open to the truth is far more likely to be persuaded by sound doctrine without contention.
That depends on how you define Christian.
I believe that a Christian is one who believes that the Bible both Old and New Testaments is the absolute standard of truth and that anything that contradicts it is a lie or an error; and that the Bible is the only guide for faith and practice.
I use that definition because anyone who puts any authority above Scripture is not following Jesus.
catholic claim to believe Jesus is son of God but in disguised not believe the teaching of Jesus. Catholic behind a Lot of chaos in order to put Pope AS a representative of Jesus to be King of King, King If King rule all the King oN earth
Pope AS His representative must rule all king oN earth. To achieve this goal she make war, organized terorist, to weaken every country oN earth, to make easier to control. She want to make every country bankrupt, so they need a Loan from her And make vatican easier to direct every country to create one world government, an antichrist goverment.
so basically catholic is not Christian but luciferian wrap by christianity. We have to love them and tell them what is going on
read this link
Jesuit behind isis
seawapa.co: Jesuits Created ISIS
Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction
Vatican promote antichrist government
WHOOPS! Vatican Lets Slip Plans For One World Government - Business Insider
Just joined the site and thought I'd post here.
Basics are that the Catholic Church is the original Church founded by Jesus. History shows this, as we can trace all popes back to Peter, for one example.
Also, it was the Catholic Church (only church at the time), that decided what books belonged in the Bible.
Basics are that the Catholic Church is the original Church founded by Jesus. History shows this, as we can trace all popes back to Peter, for one example.
Also, it was the Catholic Church (only church at the time), that decided what books belonged in the Bible.
These are lies. I left the idolatry of Catholicism to learn about the real Jesus.
Sorry,
but if the pagans want to argue over halloween rights.
be sincere about the uselessness of such greed.
but if the pagans want to argue over halloween rights.
be sincere about the uselessness of such greed.
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eternally-gratefull
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Welcome to the site. I hope you find joy in fellowshiping with Gods people.
Forgive me if I say every point you made is wrong.
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eternally-gratefull
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The Catholic Church was not the first church, the first church was the church in Jerusalem.
Peter was not the first pope. He shared leadership with James and John in the church at Jerusalem.
The books in the Bible was decided before the Catholic Church was even formed. God did not wait a few centuries to decide what books belonged and what did not.
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Jesus didn't found pagan worship, kneeling in front of statues and praying to dead people. He came to liberate us from that bondage. Don't ask me to elaborate, ask him. Read Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Jesus tells us how to worship.