Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mwc68]

And what you are teaching mwc68 is not from the Holy Spirit. Its from the Roman Catholic Church.

You are not the one who decides if what you do is a sin or not mwc68. Its the Holy Spirit who says it not you and not the Roman Catholic Church mwc68.

Unfortunately mwc68 you are very arrogant in your Pride and refuse to listen to God. Judas was like you mwc68. He was very arrogant in his belief that Jesus Christ was not God. Look at what happened to him.

We are to humble ourselves before God, not before Mary and the Roman Catholic Church mwc68. Since I have shown you the Truth in the Scriptures you cannot stand before God and claim you never had been told the Truth.

You still have not shown us where in the Bible is the prayer "Hail Mary" in its entirety mwc68. That's because its not in the Scriptures mwc68. It was made up by the Roman Catholic Church to deceive you into following their Mary.

God never told us to pray the "Hail Mary" mwc68. Its the Roman Catholic Church that is forcing you to pray the "Hail Mary" mwc68, not God and not us.

I can judge you as to are you a True Christian or are you a "Wolf in sheep Clothing" mwc68. You mwc68 are not a True Christian because you keep on rejecting what the Holy Spirit says for the Teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

You keep belittling what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures in favor of what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

Until you realize its God that is in control and not the Roman Catholic Church you mwc68 will never be able to break free from the bondage that the Roman Catholic Church has put on you. You have been put in chains by the Roman Catholic Church.

I think you are bound by the chains of Judgement and Hatred

 

[mwc68]

And what you are teaching mwc68 is not from the Holy Spirit. Its from the Roman Catholic Church.

You are not the one who decides if what you do is a sin or not mwc68. Its the Holy Spirit who says it not you and not the Roman Catholic Church mwc68.

Unfortunately mwc68 you are very arrogant in your Pride and refuse to listen to God. Judas was like you mwc68. He was very arrogant in his belief that Jesus Christ was not God. Look at what happened to him.

We are to humble ourselves before God, not before Mary and the Roman Catholic Church mwc68. Since I have shown you the Truth in the Scriptures you cannot stand before God and claim you never had been told the Truth.

You still have not shown us where in the Bible is the prayer "Hail Mary" in its entirety mwc68. That's because its not in the Scriptures mwc68. It was made up by the Roman Catholic Church to deceive you into following their Mary.

Again mwc68 we have caught you in a nest of lies. Saying the Rosary has very little to do with Mary is a lie mwc68.

There are 10 Hail Marys said in the Rosary mwc68.

So yes the Rosary is all about Mary mwc68.

Why do you lie and try to deceive God mwc68?

LOL There are 50 hail marys, but who's counting

 

[Tankman131]

Exactly when, and where did I say the bible is a fairy tale? Just because I don't believe your intepretation?

ummm, okthe rapture fairy tale? And you say i don't understand the bible?

Why is anyone still debating theology with someone who thinks the Bible is a fairy tale?

 

[Jackson123]

Addressed to Mary for intercession. We believe in intercession of the saints. You don't. Ok! The 20 mysteries meditated on, are the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, except for two which are about Mary. Ya'll are confusing intercession with prayer. Rev speaks of the saints offering prayers on our behalf.

catholic is lie to you brother.

1. How do you know Mary able to hear billions of catholic? Is she God.

2. Intercession is asking one to pray, not pray to.

read this prayer bellow. Part of them is pray to.

Submission Prayer To Mary Hymn Bakti, 1991, No. 52
Santa Maria, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, thou Queen's noblest. now with God becomes queen us all. Tunjukanlah to us the way to holiness and guide us so as not to get lost.
Take charge of our minds, so we're just looking for the right one.
Will be over us, so that we only want the good.
Take charge of our hearts, that we love one another as a brother.
Overcome ourselves each and all members of the family.
Overcome all members of society, every nation and world dignitaries.
Now with God strap them all in unity unwavering.
Overcome all mankind.
Bukakanlah way of faith for those who are not familiar with your Son, Jesus.
Help her to all nations united, harmonious and peaceful life.
Protect all mankind, especially the persecuted and pursued.
And be they in oppression and enlighten those in darkness, in order to remain faithful to Jesus, your son.
Hantarlah all of our petition to your Son, the Maharaja kingdom of peace, where each prayer petition is granted, each load lightened hearts and infirmities healed.
hopefully someone who knows his power and put hope in Him. occasionally see royal pomp thy Son, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit is living and powerful, and all-time now. Amen

 

[fordman]

Problem is that the Lord Jesus never said to pray that way in hailing Mary, this is how the Lord said to pray;


Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

And the problem with your version of the Lord's Prayer which you posted, is not how Jesus recited it! The doxolgy that many Protestant/non-Catholic sects recite " For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever" is recited out of its biblical context.

The doxology was 'NOT' original to the Biblical text and so it is not necessary to include the doxology as though taught by our Lord.
In the history of copying the biblical texts in manuscript form, at some point in such a process a scribe (copyist) put the doxology in a margin of a manuscript to remind readers that this is the doxological ending when the prayer is recited in the Liturgy or privately. At some subsequent point, a pious scribe decided to take it one step farther and inserted the doxology into the biblical text itself, as though taught by our Lord Himself, which He did not!

Whats ironic, is that you and others on this site accuse Catholics of not being "literally" faithful to Sacred Scripture and depending too much on tradition. In this case, we see that the Catholic Church has been faithful to the Gospel text of the Our Father, while you and other non-Catholic sects have added something of tradition to the word of Jesus.

Hmmmm..... So whats the word that come to mind?? Oh yeah..... Hypocrisy!


So the next time you recite the Lord's prayer, remember that the words, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever" are not the words of Jesus!



Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all geneations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

 

[mwc68]

Why is anyone still debating theology with someone who thinks the Bible is a fairy tale?

I'm not the only one that doesn't believe your rapture fairy tale. Check out the rapture thread.

 

[Tankman131]

I'm not the only one that doesn't believe your rapture fairy tale. Check out the rapture thread.

Yes. You and many others in this world don't believe the Bible. It is a common occurance amongst non-believers and people who create their own religions.

First they start seeing one part of the Bible as a fairy tale. Then they realize that saying any part of the Bible is not truth and cant be trusted (or is a fairy tale) then all of the Bible is just as untrustworthy and prone to being a fairy tale. If revelation is a fairy tale, why not Jesus's ressurection?
If Jesus's ressurection is a fairy tale, then even Paul says In 1 corinthians 15, Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified [a]against God that He raised [b]Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

 

[mwc68]

Yes. You and many others in this world don't believe the Bible. It is a common occurance amongst non-believers and people who create their own religions.

First they start seeing one part of the Bible as a fairy tale. Then they realize that saying any part of the Bible is not truth and cant be trusted (or is a fairy tale) then all of the Bible is just as untrustworthy and prone to being a fairy tale. If revelation is a fairy tale, why not Jesus's ressurection?
If Jesus's ressurection is a fairy tale, then even Paul says In 1 corinthians 15, Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified [a]against God that He raised [b]Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

I believe in Christ's life, death and resurrection, the Paschal Mystery

 

[Jackson123]

And the problem with your version of the Lord's Prayer which you posted, is not how Jesus recited it! The doxolgy that many Protestant/non-Catholic sects recite " For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever" is recited out of its biblical context.

The doxology was 'NOT' original to the Biblical text and so it is not necessary to include the doxology as though taught by our Lord.
In the history of copying the biblical texts in manuscript form, at some point in such a process a scribe (copyist) put the doxology in a margin of a manuscript to remind readers that this is the doxological ending when the prayer is recited in the Liturgy or privately. At some subsequent point, a pious scribe decided to take it one step farther and inserted the doxology into the biblical text itself, as though taught by our Lord Himself, which He did not!

Whats ironic, is that you and others on this site accuse Catholics of not being "literally" faithful to Sacred Scripture and depending too much on tradition. In this case, we see that the Catholic Church has been faithful to the Gospel text of the Our Father, while you and other non-Catholic sects have added something of tradition to the word of Jesus.

Hmmmm..... So whats the word that come to mind?? Oh yeah..... Hypocrisy!


So the next time you recite the Lord's prayer, remember that the words, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever" are not the words of Jesus!



Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all geneations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

The way Sunday service conduct in My church may not exactly like in apostle time, for example they my not use Piano etc.

but as long as not teach oppose to the bible.

Catholic teach some thing oppose to the bible.

for example.

Lumen Gentium II/16

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.



To teach Muslim include in the plan of salvation is rebellion again't God.

 

[FancyNancy]

Addressed to Mary for intercession. We believe in intercession of the saints. You don't. Ok! The 20 mysteries meditated on, are the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, except for two which are about Mary. Ya'll are confusing intercession with prayer. Rev speaks of the saints offering prayers on our behalf.

Mary can't hear you, and she cannot intercede. Only Jesus is our intercessor. Read the bible. Find out the truth for yourself, rather than remain in denial of the lies you've been spoon fed. Don't even think of using Revelation to support yourself, for you haven't a clue about what is in that book, nor what it means.

Your rosary is an idolatrous abomination. God is deaf to it.

 

[FancyNancy]

We believe in intercession of the saints and you don't.

We believe in earthly, living saints interceding for one another as part of our life in Christ. That is what the bible teaches. What you believe is unbiblical, and of course you have no biblical knowledge to support the catholic fantasy about that.

 

[FancyNancy]

And the problem with your version of the Lord's Prayer which you posted, is not how Jesus recited it! The doxolgy that many Protestant/non-Catholic sects recite " For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever" is recited out of its biblical context.

The doxology was 'NOT' original to the Biblical text and so it is not necessary to include the doxology as though taught by our Lord.
In the history of copying the biblical texts in manuscript form, at some point in such a process a scribe (copyist) put the doxology in a margin of a manuscript to remind readers that this is the doxological ending when the prayer is recited in the Liturgy or privately. At some subsequent point, a pious scribe decided to take it one step farther and inserted the doxology into the biblical text itself, as though taught by our Lord Himself, which He did not!

Whats ironic, is that you and others on this site accuse Catholics of not being "literally" faithful to Sacred Scripture and depending too much on tradition. In this case, we see that the Catholic Church has been faithful to the Gospel text of the Our Father, while you and other non-Catholic sects have added something of tradition to the word of Jesus.

Hmmmm..... So whats the word that come to mind?? Oh yeah..... Hypocrisy!


So the next time you recite the Lord's prayer, remember that the words, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever" are not the words of Jesus!



Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all geneations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

Spoken like a true catholic. Balderdash.

 

[fordman]

Spoken like a true catholic.

Why thank you.

Balderdash.

Lol....And you are in a state of complete abnegation! If you feel what I posted on the doxolgy at the end of the Lord's Prayer is nothing more than trivial nonsense, prove me wrong. Show me where in Scripture Jesus Himself said those words.


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48

 

[fordman]

The way Sunday service conduct in My church may not exactly like in apostle time, for example they my not use Piano etc.

This doesn't actually make a lick of sence, but if I were to guess what you meant. Yeah....I'm pretty sure they didn't have piano's in the time of the Apostles.


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed.' ---Luke 1:48







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[Jackson123]

This doesn't actually make a lick of sence, but if I were to guess what you meant. Yeah....I'm pretty sure they didn't have piano's in the time of the Apostles.


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed.' ---Luke 1:48

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How about to teach Muslim include in the plan of salvation, It is rebellion again't God isn't it.

Can you compare teaching Muslim go to heaven, Atheist go to heaven with using piano in the Sunday service?

Not in the bible as long as not rebel again't the bible is not the same with rebel again't God like Catholic.


The water we drink may not bacterial free, and we drink anyway.

So does sewage water.

Sewage water is not bacteria free.

Can we say sewage water is the same with our drinking water ?

Because both are not bacteria free?

 

[FancyNancy]

Why thank you.


Lol....And you are in a state of complete abnegation! If you feel what I posted on the doxolgy at the end of the Lord's Prayer is nothing more than trivial nonsense, prove me wrong. Show me where in Scripture Jesus Himself said those words.


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48

I agree with scripture, footnoted or not. You are nit-picky. We could easily say that you omit scripture. You are simply going by certain manuscripts. My NKJV bible has Jesus saying this:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us this day our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

 

[Tankman131]

*facepalm*

this thread man.

 

[psychomom]

*facepalm*

this thread man.

it hasn't seen this much activity since it was unstickied.

and the ironic thing is that was most likely done hoping it would disappear.

 

[JackH]

I'm not the only one that doesn't believe your rapture fairy tale. Check out the rapture thread.

Yes, it is a rapture fairy tale, in my opinion.

Many of those bashing Catholics relentlessly on this thread have a whole lot of fairly tales.

Like Young Earth Creationism.

As in, the world is around 6,000 years old, dinosaurs coexisted with humans, and there was a global flood around 4,500 years ago.

I'm interested in your view on those issues.

And that of fordman and any other Catholics.

I understand a Catholic is permitted some latitude on those issues.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never said i received salvation outside the church. It just happened at that point and time, it all made sense. I never left the church or have ever had the desire to. I work out my Salvation with fear and trembling as Paul wrote. Seems some of you could use some of that trembling !

so your saved (rescued), Your trying to get saved (rescued) or you are hoping you will be saved (rescued)

(yes the word saved in scripture literally means to be rescued)

Which is it?