Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep/ cant get any plainer than that. Yep your church denies it.

Yet you have eaten the eucharist how often now? Yet your church can;t promise you that that will happen to you now can it..

yet you still want to call me ignorant and stupid because I call your church out on it..

I don;t assume anything my friend Thats your problem. yuo think we assume.. When it is you who does all the assuming.

Notice also how you IGNORED everything else which was posted. and the rest of the passage. news flash my friend, you do not make a doctrine on one sentence out of a WHOLE conversation.
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How can you say I deny that? How can you say the church denies this? I am assured of my salvation, worked out with fear and trembling as the bible says. That is another propaganda tool yall like to use to get your buddies to believe we are not sure of our salvation. OSAS is not a prescription for salvation since it is not biblical and i think heresy
 
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notice that y'all are talking to a heretic controlled by demons.
note that it he never learns anything.
note that he cannot stand, understand, or grasp the truth at all.
he has changed since he started coming here --- he's gotten a lot worse.
he lied several times, saying he was done here, gone, no more....

he lied every time he posts, as the truth is not in him, just darkness.... he doesn't care what the truth is, and cannot even comprehend it anyway.
he admitted he loves his 'teachers'/ his 'parish'/ that teaching him demonic lessons (according to Scripture the rcc lessons are demonic).
he blatantly refuses to listen to anyone telling him anything true.

he's admitted through all this he cannot turn to God to learn what God wants.
the rcc agrees with him and has taught him that same thing.(he cannot learn from God )
the rcc teaches him he cannot go to Jesus to be forgiven. (he has to go to a demonic character or an idolatrous one that the rcc has made the queen harlot into)

the wickedness and the demons controlling the rcc will never let him go. not willingly.
 
mwc68 said:
Whoah, calm down cowboy! Consider this, Jesus is the High Priest of the line of Melchizedek. Melchizedek consecrated the bread and wine he gave to Abraham and in the same manner at thr Last Supper, the first mass, Our Lord did the same thing! And gave the power of transubstantiation to the Apostles who then gave it to the clergy. By Jesus own example a lay person cannot consecrate the host or wine. Its in the bible
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LOL you mean you think it so it has to be accepted because Big Daddy Pope says so.

Melchizedek did not consecrate the bread and wine. It was food for the returning heroes to eat and drink. So your whole argument immediately collapses. So who is the cowboy now?

Nowhere does it say that Jesus consecrated the bread and wine.

Hs said it was to be taken as A REMEMBRANCE In other words it was a symbol. There is no mention or thought of transubstantiation.

Where does it say that the Apostles gave any power of transubstantiation to the clergy? There were no clergy. Such a distinction came much later. Any Christian could celebrate the Lord's Supper whenever he had wine. 'Do this as often as you drink it!'

You are one mixed up kid.
 
Jeff_56 said:
notice that y'all are talking to a heretic controlled by demons.
note that it he never learns anything.
note that he cannot stand, understand, or grasp the truth at all.
he has changed since he started coming here --- he's gotten a lot worse.
he lied several times, saying he was done here, gone, no more....

he lied every time he posts, as the truth is not in him, just darkness.... he doesn't care what the truth is, and cannot even comprehend it anyway.
he admitted he loves his 'teachers'/ his 'parish'/ that teaching him demonic lessons (according to Scripture the rcc lessons are demonic).
he blatantly refuses to listen to anyone telling him anything true.

he's admitted through all this he cannot turn to God to learn what God wants.
the rcc agrees with him and has taught him that same thing.(he cannot learn from God )
the rcc teaches him he cannot go to Jesus to be forgiven. (he has to go to a demonic character or an idolatrous one that the rcc has made the queen harlot into)

the wickedness and the demons controlling the rcc will never let him go. not willingly.
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I love you to brother! I just love to see Christ's light shine from you. Did you refer to Mary as a harlot? Shame! LOL
 
mwc68 said:
How can you say I deny that? How can you say the church denies this? I am assured of my salvation, worked out with fear and trembling as the bible says. That is another propaganda tool yall like to use to get your buddies to believe we are not sure of our salvation. OSAS is not a prescription for salvation since it is not biblical and i think heresy
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Your not assured of your salvation. You do not believe in OSAS. if you was assured, you would believe osas. your the one teaching propoganda, you say your assured, when it is obvious by your own words, your not assured of anything,

and how can I say it?

Because you eat weekly, yet are not assured of ANYTHING jesus says.

You prove you still hunger and thirst. or you would not have to keep eating it

You prove you do not have assurance of eternal life and being risen on the last day, or living forever and never dieing based on the fact you ate of this food jesus came to give, even though jesus promised it to ALL who ate this food. thus you call jesus a liar.
 
mwc68 said:
Meclchizedek took the bread and wine and offered thanks and praise. Jesus took the bread and wine and offered thanks and praise. This is consecration and can only be done by a priest.
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Now you are simply lying. 'Melchizedek -- brought out bread and wine'. Why? So that Abraham and his men could eat. It says nothing about him offering thanks and praise for the bread and wine. You are a trickster.

He then blessed Abraham NOT THE BREAD AND WINE.

Jesus was NOT a priest when he offered the bread and wine. He could not be High Priest until He had offered up Himself. He could not be a High Priest on earth at all (Heb 8.4). Indeed all the fathers of houses in Israel were also offering bread and wine on the same day, and Jesus did so along with them. The whole point of Passover was that it was a family feast NOT A PRIESTLY ONE. There was nothing priestly about it. You read in later ideas.

You whole thesis is based on error.
 
Originally Posted by FancyNancy There is no such thing as any "apostolic succession". No one you consider of the "apostolic succession" really is. It's merely religion run amok.
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mwc68 said:
That is entirely YOUR opinion
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No it is Bible fact. All you can cite is the opinion of your church and Big Daddy Pope.
 
mwc68 said:
Oh, but you saud you are a priest who can consecrate and everything! Why not teach the congregation unless this is hypocrysy. Cant have your cake and eat it too
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Not all priests were teachers in the Old Testament. But that priesthood has been done away. It has been replaced by the priesthood of ALL believers. So yes we can 'consecrate' the bread and wine, and those like me who are called on to teach do so. So we can have our cake and eat it :)
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Your not assured of your salvation. You do not believe in OSAS. if you was assured, you would believe osas. your the one teaching propoganda, you say your assured, when it is obvious by your own words, your not assured of anything,

and how can I say it?

Because you eat weekly, yet are not assured of ANYTHING jesus says.

You prove you still hunger and thirst. or you would not have to keep eating it

You prove you do not have assurance of eternal life and being risen on the last day, or living forever and never dieing based on the fact you ate of this food jesus came to give, even though jesus promised it to ALL who ate this food. thus you call jesus a liar.
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How do you know this sir? Can you see my heart? Have you spent anytime with me to see if i walk the walk? Only God can judge me. Now i have not sentenced any of you to Hell, but ya'll do this to me daily. I don't think you know the scriptures as well as your arragant attitudes lead you into believing
 
mwc68 said:
How do you know this sir? Can you see my heart? Have you spent anytime with me to see if i walk the walk? Only God can judge me. Now i have not sentenced any of you to Hell, but ya'll do this to me daily. I don't think you know the scriptures as well as your arragant attitudes lead you into believing
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I do not need to see your heart. All I have to do is study your churches gospel. and what they teach, and I can know.

Are yuo doing to deny anything I have said?

Seeing your heart would not prove anything now would it? Did jesus mean what he said? According to your church, he did not.
 
mwc68 said:
How can you say I deny that? How can you say the church denies this? I am assured of my salvation, worked out with fear and trembling as the bible says. That is another propaganda tool yall like to use to get your buddies to believe we are not sure of our salvation. OSAS is not a prescription for salvation since it is not biblical and i think heresy
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And Jesus said, 'this is the Father's will Who sent Me, that of all whom He has given Me I should LOSE NOTHING but should raise him up at the last day' (John 6.39)

Hey Jesus, that is OSAS. The Roman Catholic church says you are a heretic.

Jesus said, 'they make the word of God void through their tradition'.
 
mwc68 said:
Just rude and ignorant like always
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How the truth often hurts. Stephen preached and the Jews stopped their ears and ran on him and gnashed him with their teeth. Acts 7:54 Then they stoned him to death.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
As long as you remain in me, I will remain in you! Hey Jesus, that's not osas. You were right, osas is wrong
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I do not need to see your heart. All I have to do is study your churches gospel. and what they teach, and I can know.

Are yuo doing to deny anything I have said?

Seeing your heart would not prove anything now would it? Did jesus mean what he said? According to your church, he did not.
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I deny pretty much everything you said
 
mwc68 said:
And your tired arguments when i try to discuss the bible is " i take it out of context" big shock there. Can't discuss anything with ya'll because that's your only defense
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you don't try to discuss the Bible. you admit that you can't. you simply occasionally produce a Scripture and assume it says what you want it to say, even though it does not.
 
mwc68 said:
As long as you remain in me, I will remain in you! Hey Jesus, that's not osas. You were right, osas is wrong
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Now where does it say that? As usual you misquote. It IS in fact osas.

you see you could not challenge the verse I gave. you just ignored it.
 
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mwc68 said:
I deny pretty much everything you said
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You definately deny everything Jesus said in John 6.

You deny what I say, that does not matter (and to be honest, I could care less) But you deny what Jesus said, Your in deep trouble,

You have not admitted he said what he said in jon 6 once in our whole conversation. (well maybe ONE thing he said) all you have done is attack me and say I do not want to discuss anything.

Thats sad, and its on you not me.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
You definately deny everything Jesus said in John 6.

You deny what I say, that does not matter (and to be honest, I could care less) But you deny what Jesus said, Your in deep trouble,

You have not admitted he said what he said in jon 6 once in our whole conversation. (well maybe ONE thing he said) all you have done is attack me and say I do not want to discuss anything.

Thats sad, and its on you not me.
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What more do want to discuss about John 6? You keep saying you want to discuss it. Discuss
 
Getting ganged up on here. its ok! Ya'll act like i wrote the catachism and if i don't give the anwers you demand, then my sentence is Hell! LOL Ya'll crack me up every day
 
mwc68 said:
What more do want to discuss about John 6? You keep saying you want to discuss it. Discuss
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I have been trying.

does the eucharist endure forever?

Can I eat the eucharist and never hunger or thirst?

If I eat the eucharist. Can I still die, or will I live forever as Jesus promised.

and if I at the eucharist. WIll God keep his word and raise me to eternal life on the last day? or may I still be delievered to him for eternal judgment?
 
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