I don't refer you to sites. I give you the Scriptures that support my case and explain how they do so. If you can't do that you shouldn't be on here. This thread brands your church as heretical. It is up to you whether you can prove otherwise
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I don't refer you to sites. I give you the Scriptures that support my case and explain how they do so. If you can't do that you shouldn't be on here. This thread brands your church as heretical. It is up to you whether you can prove otherwise
Please explain how you prove something to a jury that already has its verdict and sentence?I know i can't convince you as you play God and sentence me to Hell. Like i said before this thread is rather amusing and i can see no source of any serious study
'qualified' teachers..... hahaha why bother ? don't. there's no reason to. everything was tested and failed (from the rcc). the rcc itself never passed the test.
remember ... .IT IS HERESY. not maybe. it was already and has always been HERESY. NO TEST CAN CHANGE THAT NOW.
maybe. remember you're in a confirmed heresy. as long as you don't promote the heresy it's okay you visit.
if you go to a republican political committee meeting, and waved a democratic flag, guess what happens to you !?
you came to a christian website, and waved the flag of heresy since you got here. duh....
you're living a lie. you totally believe in what you believe, and as SCRIPTURE says you are on the WRONG SIDE -- - you took, or stayed in , the DEVIL'S PARTY. you chose to. you are there.
if you wave a democrat flag, and go to a republican party meeting, you can't tell them they're democrats!
likewise, they WILL NOT CALL YOU A REPUBLICAN. you are waving the wrong flag!
if you want someone to believe you believe the truth, you'll have to go over to their camp.
this camp is for believers who know and believe the RCC IS HERESY. simple.
But that verdict and sentence has arisen out of knowing the Scriptures and knowing Roman Catholic heresy and behaviour. If you come on this thread it is for you to establish that we are wrong, not by citing vague Scripture references which do not really deal with the questions, but by giving Scriptures which unquestionably PROVE what you are trying to say.
I never sentence anyone to Hell. that is God's prerogative. What I do is warn people of things that will lead them astray from God.
Not if you mean the Roman Catholic church you are not. Jesus did not found the Roman Catholic church. He described it as Babylon the Great along with all churches that go stay from the truth of Christ and try to enforce their case by violence..
if you went into a guarded, public, or private, women's restroom, would you pass for a woman ?
well, you'd have a far greater chance passing as a woman at a nudist beach in broad daylight,
than you would if you carried a rcc label name tag visible to all and
tried passing for a christian in any group of disciples of yahshua. yahweh never lies.
you don't see, but the rcc label is like the mark of the beast - it marks you as who you belong to,
and you've admitted it willingly so many times.
without repentance.
the Catholic church is not the mark of the beast,
the Roman empire is the beast, and there leaders being worshiped as gods.
but the unholy roman empire union in history is well documented.
rome and the church together, and there old sunday laws of inforcement.
the Roman empire is the beast, and there leaders being worshiped as gods.
but the unholy roman empire union in history is well documented.
rome and the church together, and there old sunday laws of inforcement.
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Hello Robo0p, my name is Richard, and I am Catholic. When trying to understand the Catholic doctrine of Mary, one of the most essential things that you must grasp is something call “typology”. Biblical typology is The Old Testament preparing the way for the New Testament, where many things are prefigured and foreshadowed in the Old Testament, and fulfilled in the New. The Old Testament contains many persons, images and events which prefigure persons, images and events in the New Testament. These are known as “types” and the study of them is known as “typology”. In order to fully understand the New Testament, we must read it in light of the Old. Passages in the Bible are full of this “typology”:
InMatthew 12:40, Jesus teaches us that the story of Jonah and the great fish is a prefiguration of Jesus in the tomb.
InJohn 3:14, Jesus declares that the bronze serpent in the desert is a type of Christ.
InI Peter 3:19-21, Peter describes the Flood as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In Colossians 2:11–12, Paul describes circumcision as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In John 1:51, John says that Jacob’s ladder, with the angels ascending and descending upon it (Genesis 28:12), pictured Christ.
In Matthew 24:37-39, it says that the flood of Noah’s day (Genesis 6-8) typified the sudden destruction of the world yet to come at the end.
In John 4:14 and 1 Corinthians 10:4, the authors declare that the miraculous water from the rock in the wilderness (Exodus 17:6) was a preview of the life-sustaining water provided by our Lord.
In John 6:32, the manna from heaven in the wilderness (Exodus 16:14-16) was a foreshadowing of the spiritual bread who came down from heaven to nourish humanity, Christ, the “Bread of Life”.
In Romans 5:19, it is said Adam is a type of Christ in that as the former introduced sin into the world, even so, through the latter a system of righteousness was made available for mankind.
The list of typological events in the Bible goes on and on. But what you, many Protestants, and non-denominational Christians do not understand is that the Biblical character of Mary is a fulfillment of many types in the Old Testament. She is more than just a person who God randomly chose to bear His Son; she is the Ark of the New Covenant, the New Eve, the woman prophesied in Genesis that would have enmity towards Satan, and the Queen Mother of the Davidic Kings, who helped her son reign and was an intercessor for the people of the nation. Through Jesus, Our Lord, Mary fulfills Old Testament types, persons, and realities. Just as these things were honored, she should be as well.
The Bible without any doubt identifies Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant. Mary is the new and greater fulfillment of what was prefigured by the Ark of the Old Testament. Since it carried and represented the presence of God, the Ark of the Covenant was the holiest and most powerful thing on Earth outside of God Himself. The Ark of the Covenant was a sacred chest which contained the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy 10:5). The Ark also carried and represented the spiritual presence of God on Earth. When God spoke to Moses, it was from between the two cherubim which were on the Ark:
Exodus 25:21-22 “And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.”
The following are a few parallels between the Ark and Mary:
Just as the Ark was made perfect, so was Mary. Just as the Ark was kept from all harm, so was Mary through her sinlessness. The writers of the Old Testament knew this, and that is why they gave so many parallels of her as the fulfillment of the Ark in the New Testament writings. If you were a Jew in the Old Testament, you would be saying: that box has nothing special about it! That is idolatry! Only God!
MARY WAS NOT A SINNER. Mary was made unblemished just as God made the Ark. This is also seen in the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke. In the original greek texts, Gabriel says: “Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!”
Chaire: “Chaire” means “Hail”, and is used only in the context of speaking to royalty. Mary was so favored by God, who wished to save her from sin, that she deserves this greeting: a greeting used to greet royalty.
Kecharitomene: “Kecharitomene” means “full of grace”
"Kecharitomene" is a perfect passive participle of "charitoo" [charitoo (verb) comes from the same Greek root of “charis” - which means “grace” and charitoó means to fill or endow with grace] or in other words: "Hail, one who has always been full of grace."
"Kecharitomene" is the perfect passive participle tense of the verb meaning "to fill with grace," Because it is in the perfect participle tense, it means that Mary was already filled with grace and there is no room for sin in her before the Annunciation, the implication being that she was the immaculate!
No other character in the bible was called kecharitomene except for Mary. The Angel Gabriel is not speaking his own words, rather he is delivering God’s message to her.
InMatthew 12:40, Jesus teaches us that the story of Jonah and the great fish is a prefiguration of Jesus in the tomb.
InJohn 3:14, Jesus declares that the bronze serpent in the desert is a type of Christ.
InI Peter 3:19-21, Peter describes the Flood as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In Colossians 2:11–12, Paul describes circumcision as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In John 1:51, John says that Jacob’s ladder, with the angels ascending and descending upon it (Genesis 28:12), pictured Christ.
In Matthew 24:37-39, it says that the flood of Noah’s day (Genesis 6-8) typified the sudden destruction of the world yet to come at the end.
In John 4:14 and 1 Corinthians 10:4, the authors declare that the miraculous water from the rock in the wilderness (Exodus 17:6) was a preview of the life-sustaining water provided by our Lord.
In John 6:32, the manna from heaven in the wilderness (Exodus 16:14-16) was a foreshadowing of the spiritual bread who came down from heaven to nourish humanity, Christ, the “Bread of Life”.
In Romans 5:19, it is said Adam is a type of Christ in that as the former introduced sin into the world, even so, through the latter a system of righteousness was made available for mankind.
The list of typological events in the Bible goes on and on. But what you, many Protestants, and non-denominational Christians do not understand is that the Biblical character of Mary is a fulfillment of many types in the Old Testament. She is more than just a person who God randomly chose to bear His Son; she is the Ark of the New Covenant, the New Eve, the woman prophesied in Genesis that would have enmity towards Satan, and the Queen Mother of the Davidic Kings, who helped her son reign and was an intercessor for the people of the nation. Through Jesus, Our Lord, Mary fulfills Old Testament types, persons, and realities. Just as these things were honored, she should be as well.
The Bible without any doubt identifies Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant. Mary is the new and greater fulfillment of what was prefigured by the Ark of the Old Testament. Since it carried and represented the presence of God, the Ark of the Covenant was the holiest and most powerful thing on Earth outside of God Himself. The Ark of the Covenant was a sacred chest which contained the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy 10:5). The Ark also carried and represented the spiritual presence of God on Earth. When God spoke to Moses, it was from between the two cherubim which were on the Ark:
Exodus 25:21-22 “And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.”
The following are a few parallels between the Ark and Mary:
The Ark of the Old Covenant | Mary |
Contained the written word of God (Deuteronomy 10:5) | Contained the Word of God made flesh, Jesus (John 1:1) |
Contained the manna from the desert (Hebrews 9:4) | Contained the manna from Heaven, Jesus(John 6:48-51) |
Contained the rod of Aaron, a sign of priesthood(Hebrews 9:4) | Contained Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest(Hebrews 4:14) |
Was “overshadowed” by the power and presence of God (Exodus 40:34-35) | Was “overshadowed” by the power and presence of the Most High (Luke 1:35) |
Just as the Ark was made perfect, so was Mary. Just as the Ark was kept from all harm, so was Mary through her sinlessness. The writers of the Old Testament knew this, and that is why they gave so many parallels of her as the fulfillment of the Ark in the New Testament writings. If you were a Jew in the Old Testament, you would be saying: that box has nothing special about it! That is idolatry! Only God!
MARY WAS NOT A SINNER. Mary was made unblemished just as God made the Ark. This is also seen in the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke. In the original greek texts, Gabriel says: “Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!”
Chaire: “Chaire” means “Hail”, and is used only in the context of speaking to royalty. Mary was so favored by God, who wished to save her from sin, that she deserves this greeting: a greeting used to greet royalty.
Kecharitomene: “Kecharitomene” means “full of grace”
"Kecharitomene" is a perfect passive participle of "charitoo" [charitoo (verb) comes from the same Greek root of “charis” - which means “grace” and charitoó means to fill or endow with grace] or in other words: "Hail, one who has always been full of grace."
"Kecharitomene" is the perfect passive participle tense of the verb meaning "to fill with grace," Because it is in the perfect participle tense, it means that Mary was already filled with grace and there is no room for sin in her before the Annunciation, the implication being that she was the immaculate!
No other character in the bible was called kecharitomene except for Mary. The Angel Gabriel is not speaking his own words, rather he is delivering God’s message to her.
Well reasoned, brother. Be careful for the vipers strike quickly and this thread is full of vipers. Please do not let this become an obsession to defend the doctrines in this thread. For too long I have watched this thread and been involved in its arguments.
Welcome to CC brother, the Lord be with you, lift up your heart, and give thanks to the Lord, our God.
Welcome to CC brother, the Lord be with you, lift up your heart, and give thanks to the Lord, our God.
C
Catholic_Christian
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Hello Robo0p, my name is Richard, and I am Catholic. When trying to understand the Catholic doctrine of Mary, one of the most essential things that you must grasp is something call “typology”. Biblical typology is The Old Testament preparing the way for the New Testament, where many things are prefigured and foreshadowed in the Old Testament, and fulfilled in the New. The Old Testament contains many persons, images and events which prefigure persons, images and events in the New Testament. These are known as “types” and the study of them is known as “typology”. In order to fully understand the New Testament, we must read it in light of the Old. Passages in the Bible are full of this “typology”:
In Matthew 12:40, Jesus teaches us that the story of Jonah and the great fish is a prefiguration of Jesus in the tomb.
In John 3:14, Jesus declares that the bronze serpent in the desert is a type of Christ.
In I Peter 3:19-21, Peter describes the Flood as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In Colossians 2:11–12, Paul describes circumcision as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In John 1:51, John says that Jacob’s ladder, with the angels ascending and descending upon it (Genesis 28:12), pictured Christ.
In Matthew 24:37-39, it says that the flood of Noah’s day (Genesis 6-8) typified the sudden destruction of the world yet to come at the end.
In John 4:14 and 1 Corinthians 10:4, the authors declare that the miraculous water from the rock in the wilderness (Exodus 17:6) was a preview of the life-sustaining water provided by our Lord.
In John 6:32, the manna from heaven in the wilderness (Exodus 16:14-16) was a foreshadowing of the spiritual bread who came down from heaven to nourish humanity, Christ, the “Bread of Life”.
In Romans 5:19, it is said Adam is a type of Christ in that as the former introduced sin into the world, even so, through the latter a system of righteousness was made available for mankind.
The list of typological events in the Bible goes on and on. But what you, many Protestants, and non-denominational Christians do not understand is that the Biblical character of Mary is a fulfillment of many types in the Old Testament. She is more than just a person who God randomly chose to bear His Son; she is the Ark of the New Covenant, the New Eve, the woman prophesied in Genesis that would have enmity towards Satan, and the Queen Mother of the Davidic Kings, who helped her son reign and was an intercessor for the people of the nation. Through Jesus, Our Lord, Mary fulfills Old Testament types, persons, and realities. Just as these things were honored, she should be as well.
The Bible without any doubt identifies Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant. Mary is the new and greater fulfillment of what was prefigured by the Ark of the Old Testament. Since it carried and represented the presence of God, the Ark of the Covenant was the holiest and most powerful thing on Earth outside of God Himself. The Ark of the Covenant was a sacred chest which contained the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy 10:5). The Ark also carried and represented the spiritual presence of God on Earth. When God spoke to Moses, it was from between the two cherubim which were on the Ark:
Exodus 25:21-22 “And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.”
The following are a few parallels between the Ark and Mary:
Just as the Ark was made perfect, so was Mary. Just as the Ark was kept from all harm, so was Mary through her sinlessness. The writers of the Old Testament knew this, and that is why they gave so many parallels of her as the fulfillment of the Ark in the New Testament writings. If you were a Jew in the Old Testament, you would be saying: that box has nothing special about it! That is idolatry! Only God!
MARY WAS NOT A SINNER. Mary was made unblemished just as God made the Ark. Mary was saved from the pit of sin. She has more right to call God her savior than anyone else does, since he “caught her” before she fell into the pit of sin that we have all fallen into.
In the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke, Mary’s sinlessness is seen. In the original Geek texts, Gabriel says: “Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!”
Chaire: “Chaire” means “Hail”, and is used only in the context of speaking to royalty. Mary was so favored by God, who wished to save her from sin, that she deserves this greeting: a greeting used to greet royalty.
Kecharitomene: “Kecharitomene” means “full of grace”
"Kecharitomene" is a perfect passive participle of "charitoo" [charitoo (verb) comes from the same Greek root of “charis” - which means “grace” and charitoó means to fill or endow with grace] or in other words: "Hail, one who has always been full of grace."
"Kecharitomene" is the perfect passive participle tense of the verb meaning "to fill with grace," Because it is in the perfect participle tense, it means that Mary was already filled with grace and there is no room for sin in her before the Annunciation, the implication being that she was the immaculate!
No other character in the bible was called kecharitomene except for Mary. The Angel Gabriel is not speaking his own words, rather he is delivering God’s message to her.
Do we worship Mary? NO. Catholics do not worship mary...we venerate her. Worship belongs to God and God alone. I do not know your family, but judging from your story, they may be guilty of a little idolatry.
In Matthew 12:40, Jesus teaches us that the story of Jonah and the great fish is a prefiguration of Jesus in the tomb.
In John 3:14, Jesus declares that the bronze serpent in the desert is a type of Christ.
In I Peter 3:19-21, Peter describes the Flood as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In Colossians 2:11–12, Paul describes circumcision as a foreshadowing of baptism.
In John 1:51, John says that Jacob’s ladder, with the angels ascending and descending upon it (Genesis 28:12), pictured Christ.
In Matthew 24:37-39, it says that the flood of Noah’s day (Genesis 6-8) typified the sudden destruction of the world yet to come at the end.
In John 4:14 and 1 Corinthians 10:4, the authors declare that the miraculous water from the rock in the wilderness (Exodus 17:6) was a preview of the life-sustaining water provided by our Lord.
In John 6:32, the manna from heaven in the wilderness (Exodus 16:14-16) was a foreshadowing of the spiritual bread who came down from heaven to nourish humanity, Christ, the “Bread of Life”.
In Romans 5:19, it is said Adam is a type of Christ in that as the former introduced sin into the world, even so, through the latter a system of righteousness was made available for mankind.
The list of typological events in the Bible goes on and on. But what you, many Protestants, and non-denominational Christians do not understand is that the Biblical character of Mary is a fulfillment of many types in the Old Testament. She is more than just a person who God randomly chose to bear His Son; she is the Ark of the New Covenant, the New Eve, the woman prophesied in Genesis that would have enmity towards Satan, and the Queen Mother of the Davidic Kings, who helped her son reign and was an intercessor for the people of the nation. Through Jesus, Our Lord, Mary fulfills Old Testament types, persons, and realities. Just as these things were honored, she should be as well.
The Bible without any doubt identifies Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant. Mary is the new and greater fulfillment of what was prefigured by the Ark of the Old Testament. Since it carried and represented the presence of God, the Ark of the Covenant was the holiest and most powerful thing on Earth outside of God Himself. The Ark of the Covenant was a sacred chest which contained the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy 10:5). The Ark also carried and represented the spiritual presence of God on Earth. When God spoke to Moses, it was from between the two cherubim which were on the Ark:
Exodus 25:21-22 “And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.”
The following are a few parallels between the Ark and Mary:
The Ark of the Old Covenant | Mary |
Contained the written word of God (Deuteronomy 10:5) | Contained the Word of God made flesh, Jesus (John 1:1) |
Contained the manna from the desert (Hebrews 9:4) | Contained the manna from Heaven, Jesus(John 6:48-51) |
Contained the rod of Aaron, a sign of priesthood(Hebrews 9:4) | Contained Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest(Hebrews 4:14) |
Was “overshadowed” by the power and presence of God (Exodus 40:34-35) | Was “overshadowed” by the power and presence of the Most High (Luke 1:35) |
Just as the Ark was made perfect, so was Mary. Just as the Ark was kept from all harm, so was Mary through her sinlessness. The writers of the Old Testament knew this, and that is why they gave so many parallels of her as the fulfillment of the Ark in the New Testament writings. If you were a Jew in the Old Testament, you would be saying: that box has nothing special about it! That is idolatry! Only God!
MARY WAS NOT A SINNER. Mary was made unblemished just as God made the Ark. Mary was saved from the pit of sin. She has more right to call God her savior than anyone else does, since he “caught her” before she fell into the pit of sin that we have all fallen into.
In the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke, Mary’s sinlessness is seen. In the original Geek texts, Gabriel says: “Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!”
Chaire: “Chaire” means “Hail”, and is used only in the context of speaking to royalty. Mary was so favored by God, who wished to save her from sin, that she deserves this greeting: a greeting used to greet royalty.
Kecharitomene: “Kecharitomene” means “full of grace”
"Kecharitomene" is a perfect passive participle of "charitoo" [charitoo (verb) comes from the same Greek root of “charis” - which means “grace” and charitoó means to fill or endow with grace] or in other words: "Hail, one who has always been full of grace."
"Kecharitomene" is the perfect passive participle tense of the verb meaning "to fill with grace," Because it is in the perfect participle tense, it means that Mary was already filled with grace and there is no room for sin in her before the Annunciation, the implication being that she was the immaculate!
No other character in the bible was called kecharitomene except for Mary. The Angel Gabriel is not speaking his own words, rather he is delivering God’s message to her.
Do we worship Mary? NO. Catholics do not worship mary...we venerate her. Worship belongs to God and God alone. I do not know your family, but judging from your story, they may be guilty of a little idolatry.
hello my name is Valiant and I am a true Catholic (member of the universal church) of the Apostolic faith. I consider the Roman Catholic church to be in secession and heretical.
what you really mean is that you have no Scriptures which support your doctrine about Mary, so you have to find meanings in Scripture which are not there, which support your case. Satan did the same thing in the Garden.
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Yes we did know that. We also know that it is the happy hunting ground of heretics who want to support their own views on an unacceptable basis. Typology can be used to prove anything, however heretical. Fortunately for us all legitimate typology is drawn to our attention in the New Testament. Anything that is not cannot be seen as Scriptural and is therefore simply a figment of the imagination.
This is a gross exaggeration. It contains SOME persons and images which prefigure the New Testament. And these are carefully drawn attention to in the New Testament itself. Thus any 'type' that the New Testament does not draw attention to is simply fantasy.
That last is not strictly correct. The bronze serpent represented death. Christ represents life. The bronze serpent was NOT a type of Christ. The bronze serpent did not and could not save. What was prefigured by the raising up of the bronze serpent was the fact that Christ would be lifted up so that whoever believed in Him would receive life. The point was that men should not look to a church, but toe a person, Jesus Christ Himself.
you are very loose in your interpretations. The Flood was not seen as a foreshadowing of baptism. It was the ARK which was the foreshadowing of baptism. It was the Ark lifted up on the water which saved, not the flood. In the same way the resurrections saves us as depicted by baptism.
You are very loose in your interpretations. Paul says nothing of the kind. Paul did not see circumcision as being replaced by baptism. He circumcised an already baptised Timothy. He saw the circumcision of Christians as taking place through the circumcision of Christ. Baptism signified burial and resurrection not circumcision. You err not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
John 1.51 says nothing of the kind. It does not even mention a ladder. It merely says that Nathaniel will see angels ascending and descending on the Son of Man. (if there was a staircase Jesus Christ was at the end of it. He was not the staircase). You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO careless in your interpretations.
Matt 24.37-39 says nothing specifically about the end of the world. It says that the flood typified the coming of the Son of Man, taking some into the Ark and sweeping the rest away. YOU ARE A VERY UNRELIABLE GUIDE.
John 4.14 gives no hint of any rock in the wilderness. It refers to Jacob's well. Nor does it say that Jacob's well was a type of Christ. It merely uses Jacob's well as an illustration. you mix up typology with illustration. The two are not the same. you draw out WHAT IS NOT THERE. You are very careless.
Nor does 1 Cor 10.2 refer to Exodus 17.6. The rock in Exodus 17.6 did not follow Israel about. The rock which followed them about typified God's continual provision of water by any means as they went through the wilderness. It was a fictitious rock, even though based on the idea in Exodus 17.
On this at last we can agree. you have scored 1/10.
It does not say that Adam was a type of Christ. How can introducing sin into the world and making many people sinners, be a type of introducing righteousness? It is not a type. It is an antithesis
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You have built up men of straw. The examples you have given have not on the whole been typological. They have been illustrative, something which is very different. There are very few genuine typological events in the Bible. There are thousands of false analogies drawn by an incorrect interpretation of the Old Testament. I suggest you study PHILO. He was huge on typology and proved a lot of NONSENSE from it.
Lets start earlier. What Jesus, and Paul, and Peter, and James, and John, and Matthew, and Mark, and Luke all failed to understand was that Mary in any way fulfilled Old Testament types. Not one of them even gave a hint of it.
They saw Mary as a good but sinful woman (needing a Saviour as she herself admitted) whom God used as the 'bearer' of the Messiah, and who later proved her unworthiness, until she was finally converted and became a humble follower of Christ like all the rest of the disciples.
So the Protestants and independent churches follow a good precedent.
I notice a sad lack of any Scripture to prove what you say. In all your examples above you cited Scripture. Where are your citations of Scripture here? Your suggestions are pure fantasy. We will agree that God does not do anything at random. He chose Mary to be the bearer (not conceiver) of His Son. But where in Scripture does it say that she was involved in your fantasies?
The Ark of the Covenant represented the throne of God and the mercy seat. It was the PERMANENT bearer of the covenant, and the symbol of the very presence of GOD. Eve was typical of all women who are at enmity with Satan. Scripture never mentioned a 'new Eve'. I will agree that just as Eve was deceived by Satan, so was Mary. Mary was deceived by Satan and also sinned as a consequence. She had to be put firmly in her place by Jesus in Mrk 3.21, 31-35.
Your suggestions about the queen mother of Judah is pure guesswork. There is no hint that she helped her son to reign, nor that she was seen as an intercessor. Your suggestion is gobbledygook. Nor is there even a hint in the New Testament that Mary was seen as a queen mother. You have to distort the symbolism of Revelation even to suggest it. Mary was NOT the queen mother. That is your invention. Jesus was not a king in that way. She was a simple woman, favoured by God, who often failed and needed forgiveness and who in the end became a Christian and found salvation in Jesus Christ.
One thing sadly lacking in your argument is Scriptural proof. Where does Scripture say this? Mary fulfils nothing. There is not even a hint in the New Testament that she does. The only honour due to Mary is that she obeyed God and willingly acted as His means of bringing His Son into the world. When the woman cried to Jesus, 'Blessed is the womb which bore you and the nipples that you sucked' JESUS REPLIED 'yes RATHER blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.'
YOUR STATEMENT IS ABSURD. It is a matter of considerable doubt. Indeed it is nonsense. No doubt you will supply the Scripture text which says so? Is it in the gospel of Richard the Catholic? LOL
Are we to take that as an ex cathedra statement? On what Scripture is it based? Where does the New Testament even hint at such an idea? NOWHERE.
So we can agree that the Ark of the Covenant represented the very presence of GOD HIMSELF seated on His throne. Its significance came from God's invisible presence. The covenant within the Ark demonstrated the covenant that God had made with His people. It indicated God's presence among His people. In the New Testament the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by Jesus HIMSELF. He too represented the presence of God among His people. He too represented the covenant.
To suggest any reference to Mary is blasphemy.
To be continued.
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It seems unfair to single out catholics from all the myriad of false denominations. I suppose it a often discussed one but if I were Cath. I would be offended.