Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[valiant]

in Gen 3 Gosaid "i will put emnity between.you and the woman, between your offspring and hers" the woman "Mary" was kept free from sin or even temptation since she cann have no part ofsatan. God Said her offspring also has this emnity between Him and Satan

Gen 3 has nothing to do with Mary. It was talking about Eve. If you can read Mary's sinlessness out of a text like this no wonder you are a Roaming Catholic.

Mary failed her son when He was twelve years old when she was careless about His whereabouts. And she aggravated her sin by blaming Him.

She sinned again when with her other sons she tried to interfere with His ministry. (Matt 3.20, 31-35)

You just close your eyes to THE FACTS.

 

[valiant]

You said the nature of sin i no communion with God? Sir, Mary was in constant communion with the Father especially during her pregnancy and in raising our Lord and Savior. She wad with Him everywhere He went all the way to the foot of the Cross! Don't tell me she was not in comminion with God the Almighty !!!

I am in constant communion with God, and so are most on this forum.

Mary was not with Jesus everywhere. For example she finds no mention in Luke 8.2. She was certainly not with Him when He REFUSED to see her in Mark 3.31-35. You live in a fool's Paradise

 

[mwc68]

Valiant, that is a sad attempt. you still ignore God's word about calling her Blessed. She never had any other children. Those were cousins and nephews and nieces. Do you really think the last thing our Lord would do is insult His Family from the Cross? Since you are such an expert, there is no Hebrew word for cousin or nephew or niece. Lot is referred to the same way in relation to Abraham and you know he was his nephew not brother! Open your eyes!!!!!!Mary is still His mother and treated Him as a mother would even telling Him when to start. His minisstry at Caana. if you find fault in this, there is nothing i can do for you, but with God everything is possible!

 

[SAVAS]

I understand perfectly. As far as this world is concerned they are dead. Thus to contact them is to contact the dead, and that is forbidden in Scripture.



Where is the suggestion that they can be contacted, or can hear our prayers, or (blasphemous thought) can persuade Jesus Christ to do what otherwise He would not?

We are informed that it is Jesus Christ Who ever lives to make intercession for us. Are you suggesting that He is incapable or unwilling?. He does not need 'helpers'. And the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. What need have we of anyone else. It makes God sound incapable.



It is WORSE THAN SEEKING CONTACT WITH THEM. You are assuming that Jesus Christ will fall down on His job. You are doubting whether He will accomplish His saving work without your help. Why should they need to pray for our souls? IS GOD INADEQUATE OR UNWILLING?



Yes on earth. Pray for EACH OTHER, you who are living and alive on earth. It is a righteous man ON EARTH whose prayer has great power and produces wonderful results. NOTHING IS EVER SAID about getting those in Heaven to pray for us . The silence of SCRIPTURE is deafening..



]So OBEY the Scriptures. Recognise that effective prayer is only made by those on earth.



And to whom is this addressed? To men on earth. It is all part of God's plan of redemption. We live together, walk together, pray together. We do not look for heavenly crutches.



Of course 'all men' applies only to those living on earth. We have no indication anywhere in Scripture that it is otherwise. It is not confusing to me it is perfectly straightforward. Our responsibility in prayer is part of our growing into His likeness. And Christ and the Holy Spirit are interceding for us all the time. What need have we of other intercessors outside this world. Are Christ and the Holy Spirit insufficient. BY USING INTERMEDIARIES WE ARE HINDERING OUR OWN CONTACT WITH CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. WE ARE USING CRUTCHES.



IT IS NOT MY LOGIC IT IS THE SCRIPTURES. Prayer for ourselves and for others is a vital part of our restoration. As we pray together so we grow together. But if we succeed we do so because we go 'in Jesus' Name' and because the Holy Spirit prays through us with groanings which cannot be uttered. How can that be a waste of time. It brings us constantly closer and closer to God. And that is the main point of prayer.

ok thanks V

 

[valiant]

Valiant, that is a sad attempt. you still ignore God's word about calling her Blessed.

well she was blessed when God called her to be the bearer of His Son in her womb. But she was certainly not blessed when she tried to divert Jesus from His ministry in Mark 3.31-35..

And when the woman cried out to Jesus 'blessed is the womb that bore you and the nipples you have sucked', His reply was CLEAR. 'YES RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.' So Jesus saw them as more blessed than Mary. OPEN YOUR EYES.

She never had any other children.

Of course she did. You just don't want to recognise the fact. 'Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? Are not His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all His sisters with us?' (Matt 15.35-36). This loses its poignancy if it was talking about cousins, nephews and nieces. The whole point was that they knew His CLOSE family. Besides the Apostles James and John were His cousins. But they were never called His brothers. And James the Lord's BROTHER was noted in Jerusalem.

Those were cousins and nephews and nieces.

Nonsense. See above. That is just a Roman Catholic get out.

Do you really think the last thing our Lord would do is insult His Family from the Cross?

His brothers and sisters were not there at the cross. Jesus wanted to comfort Mary at that very moment. But even at such a time He did not call her mother. That is very significant. And He knew that He could trust His cousin John to do what was necessary.

Since you are such an expert, there is no Hebrew word for cousin or nephew or niece.

I was not aware that the Gospels were written in Hebrew. And Jesus would not have spoken to John in Hebrew.

Lot is referred to the same way in relation to Abraham and you know he was his nephew not brother!

Not in a context like Matthew 12. But Genesis WAS in Hebrew. The Gospels are in GREEK.

Open your eyes!!!!!!

Oh if only you would so that the veil might be lifted from them. My eye are wide open. JESUS had BROTHERS. See John 7.3-5. Why should cousins and nieces and nephews be talking to Him like that? What business was it of theirs? It is quite clear that His BROTHERS were constantly spoken of.

Mary is still His mother and treated Him as a mother would even telling Him when to start. His minisstry at Caana.

What nonsense. He told her in no uncertain terms not to interfere. Was He lying when He said, 'MY HOUR HAS NOT YET COME.?' (John 2.4). So it was not the start of His ministry at Cana. Notice He called her WOMAN. He NEVER called her mother that we know of. He even called her WOMAN at the cross. It is YOU who should open your eyes.

And why do you not mention how He had to ignore her when she tried to interfere with His ministry in Mark 3.21, 31-35?' And He called OTHERS His mother, and not Mary.

if you find fault in this, there is nothing i can do for you, but with God everything is possible!

If you DON'T find fault with your words you are blind. But who Knows. Perhaps God will be gracious and open your eyes.

 

[KenAllan]

Valiant,you have to understand why the Catholics fight so hard to prove what they believe is the truth from the Catholic Church. A good example is Salvation by Faith.

The Council of Trent said, "If any one says that by Faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be Anathema"

Anathema means "cursed" and "excommunicated."

This is just one example.

What the Roman Catholic Church is saying is if you disagree with the Roman Catholic Church teachings you are cursed and will be excommunicated which means you will be kicked out of the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholics believe that when you are kicked out of the Roman Catholic Church you lose your Salvation and can never enter into Heaven!

This is why the Catholics fight so hard against the Truth from God. Its because if they even begin to question or doubt what the RCC is teaching they can lose their Salvation!

You Catholics need to understand is that Salvation is from God and not from the RCC. You cannot lose your Salvation just because the RCC kicked you out of the Church! The Roman Catholic Church CANNOT give to you nor take away from you the Salvation that Jesus Christ has given to you!

Salvation is by Faith and Grace ONLY!

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.

The Gift of Salvation is from God and nobody and no Church can ever take it away from you.

Also the RCC says that if you do not believe that Peter was appointed Pope by Jesus Christ you will be Anathema!

This is nothing more than brainwashing by the Catholic Church.

 

[SAVAS]

well she was blessed when God called her to be the bearer of His Son in her womb. But she was certainly not blessed when she tried to divert Jesus from His ministry in Mark 3.31-35..

And when the woman cried out to Jesus 'blessed is the womb that bore you and the nipples you have sucked', His reply was CLEAR. 'YES RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.' So Jesus saw them as more blessed than Mary. OPEN YOUR EYES.



Of course she did. You just don't want to recognise the fact. 'Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? Are not His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all His sisters with us?' (Matt 15.35-36). This loses its poignancy if it was talking about cousins, nephews and nieces. The whole point was that they knew His CLOSE family. Besides the Apostles James and John were His cousins. But they were never called His brothers. And James the Lord's BROTHER was noted in Jerusalem.



Nonsense. See above. That is just a Roman Catholic get out.



His brothers and sisters were not there at the cross. Jesus wanted to comfort Mary at that very moment. But even at such a time He did not call her mother. That is very significant. And He knew that He could trust His cousin John to do what was necessary.



I was not aware that the Gospels were written in Hebrew. And Jesus would not have spoken to John in Hebrew.



Not in a context like Matthew 12. But Genesis WAS in Hebrew. The Gospels are in GREEK.



Oh if only you would so that the veil might be lifted from them. My eye are wide open. JESUS had BROTHERS. See John 7.3-5. Why should cousins and nieces and nephews be talking to Him like that? What business was it of theirs? It is quite clear that His BROTHERS were constantly spoken of.



What nonsense. He told her in no uncertain terms not to interfere. Was He lying when He said, 'MY HOUR HAS NOT YET COME.?' (John 2.4). So it was not the start of His ministry at Cana. Notice He called her WOMAN. He NEVER called her mother that we know of. He even called her WOMAN at the cross. It is YOU who should open your eyes.

And why do you not mention how He had to ignore her when she tried to interfere with His ministry in Mark 3.21, 31-35?' And He called OTHERS His mother, and not Mary.



If you DON'T find fault with your words you are blind. But who Knows. Perhaps God will be gracious and open your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywEVo8ideTs

 

[MikeHenderson]

Yes Mary was Blessed, BUT Jesus Christ also said:
Matthew 5:3-12
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Jesus Christ also said all these people are Blessed just like Mary!

Jesus Christ also said:
Luke 11:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!"
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But He said, "MORE THAN THAT, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"


All those who hear the Word of God and KEEP it are just as Blessed as Mary!

Are you Catholics so BLIND that you cannot see that Jesus Christ BLESSED us True Christians also which makes us greater than Mary!

But i do understand why you teach what you teach. Its forbidden by the Roman Catholic Church to teach the Truth because if you do you will be "Anathema" from the RCC and you will lose your Salvation.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Its a shame the Catholic Church uses such tactics to keep you Catholics in bondage to Mary and the Catholic Church!

But be of good cheer for God IS Greater than Mary and God IS greater than the Popes in the Catholic Church!!!!!!!

Once you have accepted Salvation there is NOTHING the Catholic Church can do to keep you out of Heaven!!

Believe me, read the Bible, see for yourself how much GREATER God is than Mary and the Catholic Church!

 

[mwc68]

I read my Bible thank you. I have not found any scripture calling for "altar call" Any scripture ? What about Wednesday night church service? Any scripture for this practice? How about shaking a preachers hand and saying some sinners prayer and you are saved?? Any scripture fir this practice?

 

[KenAllan]

Yes there is Scriptures.

Romans 10:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The Prayer mwc68 is WE CONFESS WITH OUR MOUTH!!!

Are you so BLIND mwc68 that you CANNOT understand what the Holy Spirit says? Or could it be you are so SCARED of the Catholic Church that you are willing to lie about what God says?

Church service is when they want the service NOT when you Catholics want.

Acts 20:7-11
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] There were many lamps in the upper room where they were gathered together.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And in a window sat a certain young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep. He was overcome by sleep; and as Paul continued speaking, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But Paul went down, fell on him, and embracing him said, "Do not trouble yourselves, for his life is in him."
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed.

There were many lamps in the room. Which meant it was a night service, not a morning service. So yes mwc68 it is in the Scriptures about having services during the night during the week.

Why mwc68 do you hate God so much?

If you really have read the Scriptures then you DO know that Mary was a sinner!

Romans 3:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."


Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

If you really have read the Scriptures you would have seen these verses when the Holy Spirit says ALL have sinned! ALL includes Mary also mwc68!Are you so blind you cannot see what the Holy Spirit says or are you so EVIL you hate what the Holy Spirit says?

 

[Jackson123]

I read my Bible thank you. I have not found any scripture calling for "altar call" Any scripture ? What about Wednesday night church service? Any scripture for this practice? How about shaking a preachers hand and saying some sinners prayer and you are saved?? Any scripture fir this practice?

Altar call not save you, Wednesday service not save you, but Jesus will save you when you believe in Him/ have a faith in him.

That simple brother. Don't believe Church save you. It is man made doctrine.

Not in the scripture, Scripture said

Galatia 1:

[SUP]7[/SUP] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]8[/SUP] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Let me ask you questions brother:

1. this is a letter from Apostle Paul, Do you think he is a liar?

2. Verse 8 start with: But though we.

Who is We int this verse.

3. What is any other gospel mean in verse 8.

For example there is a doctrine said ask Mary pray for you and Mary able to here you pray. it that any other gospel or it is a gospel, please explain.

4. What is the definition of any other?

 

[valiant]

I read my Bible thank you. I have not found any scripture calling for "altar call" Any scripture ? What about Wednesday night church service? Any scripture for this practice? How about shaking a preachers hand and saying some sinners prayer and you are saved?? Any scripture fir this practice?

But no one suggests that altar calls are 'required'. They are simply a spiritual aid. There is no reason why we should meet on Wednesday or any other day. We may simply choose to do so. (It happens to be midweek). Or if Thursday was more convenient we could meet on Thursday. It is a matter of convenience. No one sees them as binding practices. You are simply clutching at straws.

 

[KenAllan]

Its interesting that mwc68 demands we prove what we teach is in the Bible, BUT yet he REFUSES to show us in the Scriptures where God said Mary was "without sin"!

The Catholic Church declared in 1850 that Mary was sinless and declared in 1950 that she was assumed into Heaven. If these were Truths from God, Paul and Peter would have declared them back in the 1st century! But since these did not appear until almost 2000 years later proves these were MADE up by Satan and accepted by the Popes to deceive the World into following Mary as a god!

Its interesting that it took the Catholics almost 2000 years to come up with these false doctrines. Its kind of suspicious i think.

We must realize here that the Roman Catholic Church has a great hold on the Catholics by threatening them with removal of Salvation from them if they OPPOSE what the corrupted Popes teach!

God is not like this! God loves everyone! Its Satan who does this! Its Satan who uses threats to keep the Catholics in line!

 

[KenAllan]

Altar call is commanded by Jesus!

Matthew 28:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Mark 16:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are to make Disciples of all the Nations and one of the ways we do this is by an altar call. This is why we have altar calls is because Jesus Christ told us to do this.

If you look at what the Catholics do they REFUSE to bring the Gospel of Salvation to the World! They REFUSE to make Disciples of God! They REFUSE to do the very things that Jesus commanded we do to spread His Word to the World!

 

[MikeHenderson]

Why is it mwc68 that you demand we prove everything with the Scriptures while you refuse to prove what you say with the Scriptures?

Jesus Spoke many languages when He walked on this Earth. Greek was one of the languages He spoke and there are words in the Greek for brothers and sisters. In fact the Scriptures were written in Greek, not Aramaic!

The reason you teach Mary had no other children is because the Popes demanded that they only had the Truth, not God! In fact all the Doctrines about Mary in the Catholic Church did not appear until after the 1800's!

Its amazing that these doctrines were suddenly realized 1800 years AFTER Jesus died! If these were Truths from God then all the Disciples would have written about them in the 1st century!

This proves the Roman Catholic Church is doing the will of their father who is Satan.

Wake up mwc68 before its too late and you find yourself fighting against Jesus Christ!

 

[Jeff_56]

Please go to biblechristiansociety.com. a lot of the answers are there. i am not an expert like yall claim to be and this website does better job explaining it.

a little child who trusts God in Jesus who can't even read yet
can tell as soon as a priest lies that he lies
as God has promised for all those who trust Him through grace in Jesus.

a little child who trusts God in Jesus who has learned to read
can compare anything printed by the heresy with
what SCRIPTURE says
and see that they are not only not the same, but all of the rcc is against faith in Jesus as well
as contrary to SCRIPTURE.

it is unbelievable how many have ADMITTED they must trust the pope, which is completely contrary to SCRIPTURE,

but once they have trusted that one, they have no choice but to disobey God and SCRIPTURE.

the only hope
is that GOD might grant them mercy some day, TODAY?!, to hear and trust GOD instead of man.

 

[Jackson123]

Its interesting that mwc68 demands we prove what we teach is in the Bible, BUT yet he REFUSES to show us in the Scriptures where God said Mary was "without sin"!

The Catholic Church declared in 1850 that Mary was sinless and declared in 1950 that she was assumed into Heaven. If these were Truths from God, Paul and Peter would have declared them back in the 1st century! But since these did not appear until almost 2000 years later proves these were MADE up by Satan and accepted by the Popes to deceive the World into following Mary as a god!

Its interesting that it took the Catholics almost 2000 years to come up with these false doctrines. Its kind of suspicious i think.

We must realize here that the Roman Catholic Church has a great hold on the Catholics by threatening them with removal of Salvation from them if they OPPOSE what the corrupted Popes teach!

God is not like this! God loves everyone! Its Satan who does this! Its Satan who uses threats to keep the Catholics in line!

Mary sinless is another gospel it is prohibit by gospel.


Galatia 1:

[SUP]7[/SUP] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]8[/SUP] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Catholic base on bible and another Gospel.


Is that possible?

If Catholic base on Gospel, than she must not use another gospel, because gospel said no to another gospel.

Mean catholic is lie when she said base on Gospel.

he doctrine base on lie.

 

[notuptome]

I read my Bible thank you. I have not found any scripture calling for "altar call" Any scripture ? What about Wednesday night church service? Any scripture for this practice? How about shaking a preachers hand and saying some sinners prayer and you are saved?? Any scripture fir this practice?

Well you only need an altar call when you preach a message that presents the gospel and demonstrates from the scriptures that men must be saved because they are sinners.

Your complaint about Wednesday night church service is unusual since the RCC in my area has services most every day of the week so that the really devoted RCC members can infuse more counterfeit grace into their tragically lost souls.

Since it is obvious that you have never prayed to God under Holy Spirit conviction about your lost estate and sought Gods mercy to save you from your sins you cannot understand the sinners prayer.

You curse the darkness but refuse to come into the light of the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mwc68]

You are all welcome to your opinions since you have no final authority in interpretation. I trust God first and foremost. Can you finally stop saying i don't? I trust the Church founded by Our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ handed to the Apostle Peter. Now i expect to get flack from yall, but this is part of my faith and i have seen and discussed this with some of my brothers that study and know the faith. These include doctors, law enforcement, and several respected business men. of course, they all told me I'm wasting my time here, but i KNOW these men. I trust these men. i don't know any of you, yet you are damning me and saying i don't have the Holy Spirit and other nonsense.