Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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SAVAS said:
Are you just opposing for the fun of it now?
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no, it is inaccurate. For example Ignatius was not a disciple of John and Peter for a start. And while Clement as a youth probably briefly knew Peter when he was taken to Rome to be martyred he was not his disciple. Nor was he a disciple of Paul He would simply have known Paul for a short time in Rome. Irenaeus simply met Polycarp when Irenaeus was a young boy. And so we could go on. It is Roman Catholic hocus pocus.
 
valiant said:
It is sad that you do not understand what salvation is. Salvation cannot be earned, Nor can it be deserved. It is a gift from God to those who come to Jesus Christ and call on Him to be their Saviour. I have known Roman Catholics who were truly saved by doing so. But sadly most have their eyes on the church or Mary. They are not truly trusting in Jesus Christ.
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Im just curious who gives you the authority to make such a huge claim about others being saved or not. Most Christians teachers would say that your enemies, those who would even kill you, or harm you those against all manifestation of Christianity, deserve Heaven over yourself and that you would even pray them to make it. Your broadly making claims on millions of people who you don't even know. who you couldn't even begin to wonder where their hearts are.
 
Elin said:
It means they were in existence in the time of Paul, and did not originate after his death.
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I see. Was your wedding liturgy established in the time of Paul?

Did Sola Scriptura exist when the Old Testament was written? Or only after the all the biblical councils?
 
valiant said:
no, it is inaccurate. For example Ignatius was not a disciple of John and Peter for a start. And while Clement as a youth probably briefly knew Peter when he was taken to Rome to be martyred he was not his disciple. Nor was he a disciple of Paul He would simply have known Paul for a short time in Rome. Irenaeus simply met Polycarp when Irenaeus was a young boy. And so we could go on. It is Roman Catholic hocus pocus.
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The point is, in general, since you studied these things, the men listed after Christ and the Apostles. Are you denying the claims of Christianity these men made?
 
mattp0625 said:
Elin said:
mattp0625 said:
You assume the traditions 'commanded' were established in that short time frame and not over a longer period of time.
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It means they were in existence in the time of Paul, and did not originate after his death.
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I see. Was your wedding liturgy established in the time of Paul?

Did Sola Scriptura exist when the Old Testament was written? Or only after the all the biblical councils?
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You have me confused with someone else.
 
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mattp0625 said:
Elin said:
One more time for those with learning difficulties:

Sola Scriptura is in contra-distinction to Papal authority for faith and doctrine.

It's not about Scripture only for salvation.
It's not about interpretation of Scripture.
It's not about the "words of Scripture only."
It's not about the meaning of Scripture.
It's not about doctrines of Scripture.
It's not about if it is in Scripture.
It's not even about what is Biblical.

It's about one thing and one thing only--spiritual authority.

Protestants maintain Only Scripture has spiritual authority for faith and doctrine, not any one on earth.

Now listen up and pay attention.
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Sorry, Sola Scritptura is, indeed, an interpretation. or, an opinion.
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Sola Scriptura is a chosen belief--in Scripture as the only spiritual authority,
just as the existence of God is a chosen belief.

You claim is that scripture is the only authority for faith and doctrine.
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Not quite. . .I claim it is my only authority for faith and doctrine, that I accept no other claim to spiritual authority.

The Book of Mark is doctrine.
How do you know Mark wrote it? How do you know the writer was divinely inspired?
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That is a matter of faith by the witness of the Holy Spirit with my spirit, powerfully convincing me that it is the word of God.

Your wedding liturgy contains solemn vows, rituals, and the holy joining of two people before God. The liturgy contains official language contained in a document. Where?
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You really are dense, aren't you?

What does a wedding liturgy have to do with spiritual authority?
 
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Elin said:
Sola Scriptura is a chosen belief--in Scripture as the only spiritual authority,
just as the existence of God is a chosen belief.


Not quite. . .I claim it is my only authority for faith and doctrine, that I accept no other claim to spiritual authority.


That is a matter of faith by the witness of the Holy Spirit with my spirit, powerfully convincing me that it is the word of God.


You really are dense, aren't you?

What does a wedding liturgy have to do with spiritual authority?
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So your wedding vows and liturgy have no connect to faith or God? It's merely a government license? Or is there something more connected to your Christian faith? Is there not an official liturgy your church uses?

Where in the bible does it say the Holy Spirit is the witness for the gospel of Mark, and that Mark wrote it? I thought the bible was your only authority for faith and doctrine?

Agreed 100% - Sola Scriptura is indeed chosen belief. It is not the equivalent of scripture or found anywhere in scripture.

I suggest to you God is not a belief or chosen. He chose you.
 
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mattp0625 said:
Kenneth - Agreed that scripture is profitable Only pointing out it does not say Scripture Alone or Faith Alone. I noticed you added the words "all we need". It is this added interpretation that is not in the verse and ignores other books in the bible.
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I am not adding nothing for the word itself says that the Holy Spirit will lead us in all truth, and that the truth must match what His Holy Word says. If somebody is teaching something contrary to what is in the bible then that is a person who has a false spirit in them. It says we are to test all spirits to see if they are from God, so how are we to do this?
We test them by His word and rather the spirit (person who is lead by) confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. If they do not confess Him and they teach contradictory to what He taught then they are not from God.

The scriptures were given to us to show us the proper way to walk in the faith, and the Holy Spirit was sent to guide and direct us in the proper understanding of His knowledge. To take away and say this is not true denies what the word says, and is lead into a private interpretation of scripture which is completely warned of.
The word says that scripture is not of any private interpretation because the Holy Spirit guides all true born again believers in all truth. Therefore with the Holy Spirits guidance to give you God's knowledge when you pray to Him for understanding then you can not have a private interpretation!!!
 
kennethcadwell said:
I am not adding nothing for the word itself says that the Holy Spirit will lead us in all truth, and that the truth must match what His Holy Word says. If somebody is teaching something contrary to what is in the bible then that is a person who has a false spirit in them. It says we are to test all spirits to see if they are from God, so how are we to do this?
We test them by His word and rather the spirit (person who is lead by) confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. If they do not confess Him and they teach contradictory to what He taught then they are not from God.

The scriptures were given to us to show us the proper way to walk in the faith, and the Holy Spirit was sent to guide and direct us in the proper understanding of His knowledge. To take away and say this is not true denies what the word says, and is lead into a private interpretation of scripture which is completely warned of.
The word says that scripture is not of any private interpretation because the Holy Spirit guides all true born again believers in all truth. Therefore with the Holy Spirits guidance to give you God's knowledge when you pray to Him for understanding then you can not have a private interpretation!!!
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Sir, any interpretation with the words "only" or "alone" or "all we need" are not in the bible. It is, instead, interpretation (opinion).
 
DesiredHaven said:
Do not interpretations belong to God?


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Sure, if the interpretations come from God. Not from people.
I suggest there is a huge difference between praying to God or having the Holy Spirit within, verses having the infallible knowledge or perfection of God.
 
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