Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[myvacantangel]

I'm not a Christian. Only Roman Catholics are Christian.

 

[GaryA]

lol @ this... If Catholics arent christians, then what ? There were no christians until the 16th century ? interesting.
( and please dont say there were always a "remnant" church somewhere...there is zero evidence for such nonsense. )

"Yep --- sorry --- the truth is --- there has always been a 'true church' throughout the ages from / since Christ to this very day. It is not nonsense. And, there is evidence for it..."

( And, the Catholic church is not it... )

~ The Catholic church - as an organization - does not represent 'true Christianity' ( and never has ). For painfully obvious reasons, it simply wants the world to believe that it is 'The [ Real and Original ] Church'.

~ In no fashion or form did the Catholic church [ even ] exist before 300-something A.D. -- it originated with Constantine, who "created" it as a state-church - combining Christianity, Judaism, and Paganism.

~ The Catholic church - as an organization - has never been a part of the 'true church' referred to above. It is, in fact - in truth - "Satan's false church" --- using the name of Jesus to cover up an exceedingly evil Satanic agenda... ( Satan, not Jesus, is the head of it. ( And, by saying this, I do not mean that the pope is Satan. Only, that the pope answers to Satan. ) )

~ It is that very same 'true church' ( referred to above ) that the Catholic church persecuted for many centuries.

~ The idea that "the Christians ruled the world in tyranny throughout the dark ages" is not at all true. The Catholic church was not the 'real Christians' in that scenario --- those being persecuting were the 'real Christians'...

"Don't worry --- you will understand on Judgment Day..."

 

[myvacantangel]

I don't care if you all grow wings and form halos. If you aren't a Roman Catholic, you aren't Christian.

 

[Linda70]

I don't care if you all grow wings and form halos. If you aren't a Roman Catholic, you aren't Christian.

Jesus taught otherwise.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Roman Catholicism does not make anyone a Christian any more than being born in a garage makes one a car!

Being born again is NOT water baptism!

 

[vic1980]

I don't care if you all grow wings and form halos. If you aren't a Roman Catholic, you aren't Christian.

Did i read that right

Was Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus a Catholic or Christian .

 

[vic1980]

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Strong's Concordance

Christianos: a Christian​

Original Word: Χριστιανός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christianos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tee-an-os')
Short Definition: a Christian
Definition: a Christian.


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Christian.

From Christos; a Christian, i.e. Follower of Christ -- Christian.
see GREEK Christos Forms and Transliterations
Χριστιανον Χριστιανὸν Χριστιανος Χριστιανός Χριστιανους Χριστιανούς Christianon Christianòn Christianos Christianós Christianous Christianoús

 

[ThomistColin]

Don't listen to the troll. You don't have to be a Roman Catholic to be a Christian.

 

[IAm3rd]

How shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? Baptism does not save. God saves by His grace received through faith and faith that comes from hearing the word of God. For no man comes to the Son except the Father draw him.

I know you desire to use the same terms as Christians but you do not place the same values on the terms.

We are saved by grace wholly apart from works. Eph 2:8-9

Repentance is to stop believing in ones own righteousness and to receive the righteousness of Christ. You can never deserve Gods grace nor can you ever repay Gods grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger, I'm curious why you believe any of what was stated is "works" ? We do not simply "call on the name of the Lord" to be saved... ( "many on that day will say Lord, Lord" ) and even if that was the case, why do you not consider THAT a work ? Is calling on the name of the Lord not something that YOU must DO ? Is repenting not also required for salvation ? And isn't THAT something YOU must DO ?
So why is baptism a "work" ? Those that DO the will of my father will enter the Kingdom!

 

[IAm3rd]

"Yep --- sorry --- the truth is --- there has always been a 'true church' throughout the ages from / since Christ to this very day. It is not nonsense. And, there is evidence for it...

Okay, show us the evidence then of this "remnant church " that was neither Catholic or Orthodox throughout the first 1500 years of church history...... I'll be waiting.

 

[GaryA]

Okay, show us the evidence then of this "remnant church " that was neither Catholic or Orthodox throughout the first 1500 years of church history...... I'll be waiting.

"You may be waiting for quite a while..."

Begin your research with a booklet called 'The Trail of Blood' by J.M. Carroll.

Believe what you will.

I know one thing that is absolutely certain:

"You will understand on Judgment Day..."

 

[IAm3rd]

"You may be waiting for quite a while..."

Begin your research with a booklet called 'The Trail of Blood' by J.M. Carroll.

Believe what you will.

I know one thing that is absolutely certain:

"You will understand on Judgment Day..."

Well, I'm just saying... if I make a claim on here I would be willing to provide said evidence to back it up... for the love of them, that they may come to the knowledge of the truth. But that's just me...

 

[didymos]

Okay, show us the evidence then of this "remnant church " that was neither Catholic or Orthodox throughout the first 1500 years of church history...... I'll be waiting.

God's church here on earth as an idea has been highly institutionalized, misunderstood and perverted by the RCC. There ALWAYS have been people who protested against it, some of them were incorporated into the RCC and thus rendered harmless (like Francis of Assisi) others were just banned or worse (like Martin Luther). Protesters were never as organized as the RCC, party because they ONLY accepted the authority of God's Word, not papal rule.
Jesus didn't start the RCC, but he did start a movement. That 'movement,' in its many forms, has ALWYAS been in existence, persecuted by the bishop of Rome and his henchmen. Protestantism isn't a 'spin off' of your precious RCC, but a genuine continuation of the first christian churches.

 

[didymos]

(...) You follow the traditions started by a group of men in the 1500s, who at first tried to reform the Church (which needed reforming) and then in turn fell into their own understandings and led men astray.

So you think the Reformation has led men astray hu? Your true face shows.

 

[GaryA]

Well, I'm just saying... if I make a claim on here I would be willing to provide said evidence to back it up... for the love of them, that they may come to the knowledge of the truth. But that's just me...

Yes - it is always nice when someone has the time and can provide you with more supportive direction or instruction ( the more the better ); however, [ full and complete ] evidence is not required.

Sometimes a person has to lift a finger to help themselves...

I would think that anyone who truly wants to know the truth about something would be willing to do at least some research on their own.

I have pointed you in the right direction.

Now, go do your own research.

I do not have time to hold your hand...

 

[notuptome]

Faith without works is dead.
For we are not justified by faith alone.

Both are directly from the the Holy Scriptures in the Epistle of James.

We are justified by grace. Our faith must come from God and not ourselves. It is the faith of Jesus Christ that is acceptable to God not our faith.

All of our righteousness is as a filthy rag before God. We cannot do or produce perfect works which is what is required to be acceptable before God.

Dead faith is faith that is placed in anything other than Gods perfect eternal grace. Branches do not produce fruit but bear the fruit that the vine produces. Never able to be worthy of Gods grace and no price can repay Gods grace. Complete dependence upon Gods mercy and love for righteosness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Roger, I'm curious why you believe any of what was stated is "works" ? We do not simply "call on the name of the Lord" to be saved... ( "many on that day will say Lord, Lord" ) and even if that was the case, why do you not consider THAT a work ? Is calling on the name of the Lord not something that YOU must DO ? Is repenting not also required for salvation ? And isn't THAT something YOU must DO ?
So why is baptism a "work" ? Those that DO the will of my father will enter the Kingdom!

Very simple in the Roman Catholic economy everything is a work. Grace to them becomes a work because it is received through the sacraments. Baptism becomes a work because it is water baptism administered by man. Repentance becomes a work because it is administered by man. Everything in Romanism is obligation to the church yielding control to the church and denying the Holy Spirit the authority to minister in hearts.

We believe when God moves through His word to bring conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. When God brings the Light of Christ before a man then man can receive or reject Gods offer of eternal life and forgiveness of sin.

The Roman Catholic church robs God of His authority by making itself the arbiter of men's eternal destiny.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ThomistColin]

So you think the Reformation has led men astray hu? Your true face shows.

I never said anything different. I do believe the Reformation has led men astray. Though I believe it is not as damaging or heretical as other times in the Church. Arius and Marcion are far more heretical than Luther and Calvin.

 

[didymos]

I never said anything different. I do believe the Reformation has led men astray. Though I believe it is not as damaging or heretical as other times in the Church. Arius and Marcion are far more heretical than Luther and Calvin.

WRONG!!! Luther and Calvin aren't heretical, the RCC is.

 

[ThomistColin]

Obviously you feel that way. I however disagree. I believe Calvin was a heretic and that Luther committed heresy and got swept up in the rebellion. However, they are only heretics to me. That does not mean that they are or were lost to the salvation of Christ, I leave that to God.

Arius and Marcion were far worse and could be called Apostates for the heresies they spread.

 

[didymos]

Obviously you feel that way. I however disagree. I believe Calvin was a heretic and that Luther committed heresy and got swept up in the rebellion (...).

OP disagrees, and so do I.
If Luther and Calvin were heretics, protestantism as a whole is heretical as well.
With your comment you labelled the majority of your 'fellow' CC-members as heretics, good job.