Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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what I said was it is not hate to point out error or heresy I did not mention catholics ones. my statement was in context to the point to " pointing out an error or heresy is not hate . But if you want me to give you my opinion on the RCCI can ?
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jaybird88
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a heresy "belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine."
example of one:
1.The doctrine of purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great 593 A.D.
2. Canonization of dead saints, by Pope John XV.
Every believer and follower of Christ is called a saint in the Bible (Romans 1:7; I Corinthians 1:2) 995 A.D.
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Tahoma, sans-serif]3.The sale of indulgences, was a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin. Protest against this unscriptural practice triggered the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 1190 A.D.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Tahoma, sans-serif] that's just three .
4. The gnostic gospels fit the status of heresy too
Biblical error:
is when one
incorrectly has wrong definition
wrong contextual interpretation
failure to consider context
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[TD] Allegorizing Scripture
[FONT=Century Schoolbook, serif]Hyper-literalism example Jesus said if thy hand offend thee cut it off " matt 5:30" this is not to be taken literally.
When one has the Holy Spirit and proper exegesis(drawing out) of scripture they will not allegorize scriptures this happen when inappropriate interpretation of scriptures through Eisegesis( reading into) which is biblical error [/FONT]
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This has been going on for four years.
A: Why can't people let the thread die?
B: Jesus never spent His time arguing over and over again with people. There's a difference between saying truth and then just hitting your head against the wall doing the same thing over and over. That's called insanity.
C: After saying your point, why not just pray for the people? Those that continue to add fuel to the fire aren't doing the bit of good.
A: Why can't people let the thread die?
B: Jesus never spent His time arguing over and over again with people. There's a difference between saying truth and then just hitting your head against the wall doing the same thing over and over. That's called insanity.
C: After saying your point, why not just pray for the people? Those that continue to add fuel to the fire aren't doing the bit of good.
this is true I agree with you however , I am respectfully answer a question that was asked of me, and I will answer thank you. I am not arguing unless you mean the Biblical application or understanding of the word or term "making and argument". it is not wrong to point out an error or heresy nor is it hate when it is done.
what is so wrong with that statement? If one disagrees with the points presented please provide the rebuttal but when one says " just stop and you are hateful and doesn't refute the statement it is seen as that person is unable to prove contrary to the statement. just saying
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thanks csi now we can start. lets start with # 3 as that is a pretty bad one. the church may teach this but this thread is not directed to the Catholic church or the Vatican, its directed to the Catholics, the people themselves. i have many friends and family that are catholic and they think this is a joke. so i have witnessed with my own eyes Catholics that do not follow this.
we have non catholic mega church leaders that teach your not going to heaven if you dont give big donations to the church, this doesnt mean that i believe this.
there are corrupt leaders in every denomination, no way around that fact.
let me be even more clearer:
you are absolutely right ... "there are corrupt leaders in every denomination, no way around that fact."
and to point that out is not hate you are doing . Nor does it mean those who are still in there cannot address it right? I have heard Rcc priest speak against this teaching I have listed however, they are teaching of heresies and error. Yes they happen in many but it is not all churches . Just because it has been pointed out of a teaching doesn't nor am I suggesting you hold to them. But it is heresies.
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How would Allegorizing be biblical error though?
When Paul speaks of the things in the law (concerning the law) he shows an allegory, such as the wives of Abraham
Saying,
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
And seeing Abraham was a prophet Hosea confirms this same that Paul expounds on saying,
Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets,
And Jesus spake in a parables (of the dark sayings of old) which would make even greater sense of the things they also speak, the Holy Ghost teaching in this manner
1 Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
I know some sects demonize allegorizing but similitues, figures, allegories, and comparing what is spiritual with spiritual are shown.
good question .
The term " allegorizing is in ref to : improper biblical interpretation of scripture . it is not to be confused with an' Allegory".
I hear you there but as you know those who hold to the teaching will be perceived by the association aline themselves with right? I would not put the person who says they are of a christian faith with JW's or other like them. but it is clear as of late the pope has taken the RCC into a place that is very very troubling and error at the least. and i agree one should ask do you hold to this or do you hold to that. before calling them names not that calling names is ever a good thing it really makes the person look foolish in my opinion
. But it is not hate to point them out and do it respectfully, but firmly
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That I could agree with but thats where I believe the one mode of interpretation (spiritual) can be rejected (even the natural man unable to receive it) and then again Paul speaks of those who confrim things by the law but know not what it is they even say. So it would seem the two (quite naturally) would not receive the other, and one could reject it in truth and the other couldnt receive it without the Spirit of truth.
They should just call it false interpretation or something, can we vote on it? LOL!
this is true I agree with you however , I am respectfully answer a question that was asked of me, and I will answer thank you. I am not arguing unless you mean the Biblical application or understanding of the word or term "making and argument". it is not wrong to point out an error or heresy nor is it hate when it is done.
All I need to see is when this thread was first started and then look at today's date. That tells me all that I need to know. Those that continue to post have already said what was said four years ago. And three. And two. And one. And last month. And last week. And yesterday. So why continue to add to it?
you can be spiritually in your understanding but we cannot change the context of the verse , passage, chapter or book of the bible. You can have more than one application but the understanding come through relationship with Christ First. And the Holy Spirit bring into your remembrance everything that Jesus has said this can happen by the Spirit and it does but WE are still to study to show are self-approved. they both go hand in hand. God has placed His word above His name. He ask us to know it. Not to change it , but to live it and apply it
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Because it's a thing and we like things and new people come here that haven't heard nor read the thread. I myself would not include Catholicism as a part of Christianity. For many reasons, reasons that have already been discussed.
well that is your opinion and you are saying it today and i respect it today and if you said it four years ago I did not see it . But I am enjoying the discussion with my brothers and sister today
Sure, I dont think Paul changed the context of Sarah and Hagar when he transformed the two women into two covenants in trying to convey to them who desired to under the law to hear the law. They were not even hearing the law (even as was set forth in Abraham) concerning the law itself.
Perhaps they hadnt grown into their ability to compare the spiritual things with spiritual.
That one is clearly set forth, and is actually life saver, when it come to people condemning that when Paul makes it evident that is not evil. The others might not be laid out as clearly but theres one I would see as sort an anchor to them.