Not a judge zzz98, a True follower of Jesus Christ who see's the Truth in the Scriptures that you reject to your regret after you die.
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Its a shame that no Catholic will ever enter into Heaven. None of the Popes will ever enter into Heaven. Its a shame they sold their soul to Satan just for their Pride.
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I don't and never have rejected the scriptures. I reject your interpretation and the myth about Mary that you put forth. I love the scriptures especially the whole chapter John 6
Then you must accept where God said ALL have sinned.
Romans 3:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
All includes Mary also zzz98.
Do you teach Mary was born a sinner zzz98?
Only by teaching Mary was born a sinner can you say you have never rejected the Scriptures.
To say Mary was born without sin makes you a liar who does reject the Truth in the Scriptures.
Romans 3:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
All includes Mary also zzz98.
Do you teach Mary was born a sinner zzz98?
Only by teaching Mary was born a sinner can you say you have never rejected the Scriptures.
To say Mary was born without sin makes you a liar who does reject the Truth in the Scriptures.
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Aren't you an OSAS guy? Mary doesn't fall under OSAS? Really? Just you? You do know Mary had faith in Jesus before he was born. An excellent example of how to respond to God.
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The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception originated out of confusion over how Jesus Christ could be born sinless if He was conceived inside of a sinful human female. The thought was that Jesus would have inherited a sinful nature from Mary had she been a sinner. In contrast to the Immaculate Conception, the biblical solution to this problem is that Jesus Himself was miraculously protected from being polluted by sin while He was inside Mary's womb. If God was capable of protecting Mary from sin, would He not be able to protect Jesus from sin? Therefore, Mary being sinless is neither necessary nor biblical.
The Roman Catholic Church argues that the Immaculate Conception is necessary because without it, Jesus would have been the object of His own grace. The thought goes like this – for Jesus to have been miraculously preserved from sin, which itself would be an act of grace, would mean God essentially “graced Himself.” The word grace means “unmerited favor.” Grace is giving someone something he or she does not deserve. God performing a miracle in preserving Jesus from sin is not “grace.” In no sense could Jesus possibly be infected with sin. He was perfect and sinless humanity joined with sinless divinity. God cannot be infected or affected by sin, as He is perfectly holy. This same truth applies to Jesus. It did not take “grace” to protect Jesus from sin. Being God incarnate, Jesus was in His essence “immune” from sin.
So, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is neither biblical nor necessary. Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the biblical concept of the virgin birth. The Bible does not even hint that there was anything significant about Mary’s conception. If we examine this concept logically, Mary’s mother would have to be immaculately conceived as well. How could Mary be conceived without sin if her mother was sinful? The same would have to be said of Mary’s grandmother, great-grandmother, and so on. So, in conclusion, the Immaculate Conception is not a biblical teaching. The Bible teaches the miraculous virgin conception of Jesus Christ, not the immaculate conception of Mary.
http://www.gotquestions.org/immaculate-conception.html
The Roman Catholic Church argues that the Immaculate Conception is necessary because without it, Jesus would have been the object of His own grace. The thought goes like this – for Jesus to have been miraculously preserved from sin, which itself would be an act of grace, would mean God essentially “graced Himself.” The word grace means “unmerited favor.” Grace is giving someone something he or she does not deserve. God performing a miracle in preserving Jesus from sin is not “grace.” In no sense could Jesus possibly be infected with sin. He was perfect and sinless humanity joined with sinless divinity. God cannot be infected or affected by sin, as He is perfectly holy. This same truth applies to Jesus. It did not take “grace” to protect Jesus from sin. Being God incarnate, Jesus was in His essence “immune” from sin.
So, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is neither biblical nor necessary. Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the biblical concept of the virgin birth. The Bible does not even hint that there was anything significant about Mary’s conception. If we examine this concept logically, Mary’s mother would have to be immaculately conceived as well. How could Mary be conceived without sin if her mother was sinful? The same would have to be said of Mary’s grandmother, great-grandmother, and so on. So, in conclusion, the Immaculate Conception is not a biblical teaching. The Bible teaches the miraculous virgin conception of Jesus Christ, not the immaculate conception of Mary.
http://www.gotquestions.org/immaculate-conception.html
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You've put God in a nice box. Theologians worked it out generations ago under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I accept that over amateurs playing theologians
Once Saved Always Saved is a True Doctrine zzz98. Tell me zzz98 how do we receive Salvation? Is it by Works? Is it by Baptism? Or is it by our Faith that Jesus is God?
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
We have received Salvation by Faith and Grace. The ONLY way to lose your Salvation is by rejecting your Faith that Jesus is God. The problem is zzz98 that once you have rejected your Faith that Jesus is God, you can NEVER receive back your Faith and receive back your Salvation!
You can not lose your Salvation by sinning because you NEVER received your salvation by NOT sinning.
Now the very fact you believe Mary was born without sin proves you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit which proves you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Its the Holy Spirit who teaches us the Truths from God in the Scriptures. Its those who have never accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior who cannot see the Truth in the Scriptures.
Your eyes have been blinded by the god of this world zzz98.
2 Corinthians 4:1-4
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
This is where you are zzz98. Blinded by the god of this World, Satan.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
We have received Salvation by Faith and Grace. The ONLY way to lose your Salvation is by rejecting your Faith that Jesus is God. The problem is zzz98 that once you have rejected your Faith that Jesus is God, you can NEVER receive back your Faith and receive back your Salvation!
You can not lose your Salvation by sinning because you NEVER received your salvation by NOT sinning.
Now the very fact you believe Mary was born without sin proves you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit which proves you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Its the Holy Spirit who teaches us the Truths from God in the Scriptures. Its those who have never accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior who cannot see the Truth in the Scriptures.
Your eyes have been blinded by the god of this world zzz98.
2 Corinthians 4:1-4
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
This is where you are zzz98. Blinded by the god of this World, Satan.
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You mean you accept dogmas despite their total lack of Scriptural support because the popes have declared themselves infallible, and as a Roman Catholic, under threat of excommunication, you are forced to accept what they say regardless of whether it has any merit or not. Many of understand your dilemma, and sympathize. Paul said, But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God's curse!
Mediatrix of All Graces is a special Marian title that some Roman Catholics give to the Blessed Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus Christ, encompassing the belief that all the graces and blessings that her son gives come through her.
Some Catholics view Mary as a co-redemptrix or a mediatrix who plays a key role in the salvation of mankind. Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept these three doctrines: (1) Mary participates in redemption with Jesus Christ, (2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the intercession of Mary, and (3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. http://www.gotquestions.org/Mary-redemptrix-mediatrix.html
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Anywho, so Mary doesn't fall under OSAS? forget her birth. I thought OSAS believers say there is no more sin. How is it Mary doesn't make your cut? Afterall she is Jesus mother. I would venture to say the most devoted disciple. Why doesn't OSAS apply to her?
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Still trying to play Catholic theologian? Telling us what we believe and your opinion to boot? Oh where would we be without you? Oh woe is us blind Catholics! LOL
Just because Mary was born a sinner like everyone else does not mean OSAS does not apply to Mary.
You cannot say you have received Jesus as your Lord and Savior AND teach the lie that Mary was born without sin. No one who has accepted Jesus ever distorts the Scriptures to teach the lies from the god of this world.
There are some passages in the Scriptures that we can debate about. The one that says ALL have sinned means just that, that everybody was born a sinner, even Mary.
Until you turn your back on the god of this world and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior you will never have the Truth in you and you will never enter into Heaven.
Its up to you zzz98. Either you follow Jesus and His Truths or you follow the god of this world and his lies. You cannot serve two masters zzz98.
You cannot say you have received Jesus as your Lord and Savior AND teach the lie that Mary was born without sin. No one who has accepted Jesus ever distorts the Scriptures to teach the lies from the god of this world.
There are some passages in the Scriptures that we can debate about. The one that says ALL have sinned means just that, that everybody was born a sinner, even Mary.
Until you turn your back on the god of this world and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior you will never have the Truth in you and you will never enter into Heaven.
Its up to you zzz98. Either you follow Jesus and His Truths or you follow the god of this world and his lies. You cannot serve two masters zzz98.
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You take that verse out of context. The people here conveniently leave off the first part of that verse that says "as it is written". Where? The bible? Can't be. The bible wasn't even written yet. Must be the Torah. So yes that is a true statement for those of the Torah. Context, man, context
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Why don't you call her Blessed? Don't you believe the bible? All generations shall call me Blessed. I guess you are a cafeteria protestant, you pick and choose and twist til it fits your view
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Are you pretending what I say is not true? Just how far will you go in your attempts to deceive others?
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[TD]Cardinals Hoping for a 5th Marian Dogma - ZENIT
ZENIT reports on a letter sent by five cardinals, inviting prelates worldwide to join in petitioning Pope Benedict XVI to declare a fifth Marian dogma, proclaiming Mary as Mother of humanity, Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate for the human race.
Mary Cooperates in God's Saving Plan - Pope John Paul II
At the General Audience of 12 January 2000, the Holy Father reflected on Mary's place in our journey to the Father, who "desired Mary's presence in salvation history". The Virgin Mother has a mediating role, but one subordinate to the Saviour's. Her cooperation is founded on Christ's mediation and her sharing in his work takes nothing from him as the unique Mediator.
Mary United Herself to Jesus' Offering - Pope John Paul II
"With our gaze illumined by the radiance of the Resurrection, we pause to reflect on the Mother's involvement in her Son's redeeming Passion, which was completed by her sharing in his suffering", the Holy Father said at the General Audience of 2 April 1997, as he reflected on Mary's participation in the mystery of Redemption and her presence at the foot of the Cross.
Mary's Cooperation Is Totally Unique - Pope John Paul II
At the General Audience of 9 April 1997, the Holy Father continued his catechesis on the role of the Blessed Mother, calling attention to her unique "role of co-operator in the Redemption, which she exercised throughout her life and in a special way at the foot of the Cross."
To the Disciple He Said, Behold Your Mother - Pope John Paul II
"The universal motherhood of Mary, the 'Woman' of the wedding at Cana and of Calvary, recalls Eve, 'mother of all living' (Gn 3:20). However, while the latter helped to bring sin into the world, the new Eve, Mary, co-operates in the saving event of Redemption." So said the Holy Father at the General Audience of 23 April 1997.
Mary's Cooperation in Work of Redemption: Present State of the Question - Salvatore M. Perrella, O.S.M.
In the context of many requests for the Holy Father to define "ex cathedra" the Marian dogmas of Mediatrix, Coredemptrix and Advocate, Fr. Perrella explains the declaration of August 1996 from the Pontifical Marian Academy meeting at Czestochowa. The Academy is an organ of advice to the Holy See and does not speak authoritatively.
A New Marian Dogma? - L'Osservatore Romano
An editorial of L'Osservatore Romano, following upon the declaration of the Pontifical Marian Academy of August 1996, against the definition of new Marian dogmas, that is, Mediatrix, Coredemptrix and Advocate.
5th Dogma a Marian Antidote - ZENIT
An antidote to the challenges facing the Church and society today is the glorification of Mary through the proclamation of a fifth Marian dogma, says Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. In this interview with ZENIT, Cardinal Vithayathil comments on the effect the proclamation of the dogma could have on interreligious and ecumenical dialogue, and the possible fruits he foresees could result.
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