Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[fordman]

I do not need to stand outside of a Catholic Church and question those leaving the Church if they Worship Mary. Every Catholic will deny it because they all have been brainwashed into believing they are only venerating Mary.

Thats a freekin cop-out, and you know it! You just just don't want to learn the truth because it would go against all the lies "you" have been brainwashed into beleiving about the Catholic Church.

There is no difference between Worship and venerating. But the Catholics have been deceived into worshiping Mary as their God.

This is such an idiotic remark, I almost refused to respond to it. However, it is my duty to help the ignorant and unlearned.

First off....Worship and Adoration are reserved for God Only! We can respect, honor and venerate others who are made worthy by God's grace, especially Mary, Mother of our Savior Jesus Christ, but we never worship or adore her. No Catholic who understands the faith has ever worshiped Mary, but any Christian who loves Jesus had better honor His Mother! Including you!! But like mec99, you don't have the cojones to stand out side of a Catholic Church and ask the folks coming or going if they worship Mary. No, you would rather stand outside and throw rocks in lieu of seeking the truth. You know whats sad, this is such a weak argument, yet you and so many others fall for it.

This is a sin that will keep every Catholic from entering into Heaven and they know it, but they are counting on Mary to force God to allow them to enter into Heaven.

SPECIAL NEWS REPORT!!! If you are fortunate enough to make it to heaven, you will be surprised to see all the Catholics there!!

The Catholics have put their God Mary above the one and only True God!

Thats just plain stupid! A stream can't rise above its source; likewise, a creature can never rise above its Creator. Sheesh! {rolling eyes}
　

Pax Christi
　

"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.
　
　
　

 

[KenAllan]

Tell me fordman where in the Scriptures does God say we are have to honor Mary or else?

Jesus Christ Himself said all those who hear the Word of God and keep it are more Blessed than Mary.

Luke 11:27-28
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And it came about while He said these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice, and said to Him, " Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts at which You nursed."
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it."

Its us True Christians who have the Word of God AND observe it that are Blessed MORE than Mary. We are more Worthy and MORE Blessed by Jesus Christ because we have the Word of God and we observe it.

Therefore by your own standards you should be venerating me more than Mary fordman.

I do not honor Mary because ALL honor belongs to Jesus Christ not Mary!

And by the way fordman I am MORE Blessed than Mary!!

 

[Mec99]

Fordman you are a typical Catholic. You hide your head in the ground, plugging your ears up and saying lalalalalala, i can't hear you lalalalalal.

Tell me fordman, what exactly will you say to Jesus at the White Throne Judgement day when He refuses to allow you to enter into Heaven????

Respect and Honor are two different things. Venerating is Worshiping Mary.

How can you say fordman you are only venerating Mary when you are on your knees before a Statue of Mary with your hands folded and praying to Mary?

Pope John Paul II did this and Pope John Paul II will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for what he did. Is this what you really want fordman? Because if it is God will toss you into the Lake of Fire along with Pope John Paul II.

 

[mwc68]

Why do you Catholics lie so much? You do know that Pope John Paul II saw nothing wrong with getting on his knees in front of a statue of Mary and praying to the statue as his God.

In fact Pope John Paul II gave all credit to Mary for surviving the attack when he was shot. Not once did he ever thank God for saving him.

Between Pope John Paul II worshiping Mary as his God and Pope Francis proclaiming that the Muslims worship Jesus Christ as their God has proven that today the Catholic Church has walked away from God to follow Satan as their God.

So tell me fordman and mwc68, knowing the truth that your Popes refuse to follow and Worship Jesus Christ only, what are you going to do when Pope Francis demands you worship Satan as your God?

I know exactly what you are going to do, you will accept everything the Pope says as Truths from God.

Why do you Catholics always lie and say you do not worship Mary! You do know you are making yourselves look foolish with such lies? {rolling eyes}

Please show me where and when Pope Francis said Muslims worship Jesus. You made that stupid statement so back up your BS with some proof

 

[mwc68]

Tell me Mikehenderson is it ok lie?

You did lie about Pope Francis just like Mec99.

Are you aware lying is a sin?

 

[MikeHenderson]

Here mwc68, this is what Pope Francis said.

"We must never forget that they “profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, who will judge humanity on the last day”.

1. they profess to hold the Faith of Abraham.
2. together with us they adore the one, merciful God.
3. who will judge humanity on the last day.


Romans 4:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Romans 4:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Galatians 3:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

All those who belong to Jesus Christ are of the Faith of Abraham. Muslims do not belong to Jesus Christ, because they REJECT Jesus Christ.

Luke 4:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "

We are to Worship God only. The Muslims do not accept God of the Bible, they do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior. Muslims worship and follow Allah. Allah is NOT God nor is he Jesus Christ.

Revelation 20:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


The Him who sat upon the Throne is Jesus Christ.


So what pope Francis is saying is the Muslims who have the Faith of Abraham, now remember the Faith of Abraham was that Jesus Christ is God, will adore God, God who we are ONLY to Worship and serve, who will judge humanity on the last day, in Revelation 20:11-15, its Jesus Christ who will judge all humanity.

Therefore what pope Francis is saying is the Muslims, who worship Allah, are really worshiping Jesus Christ. So according to what Pope Francis had said, Pope Francis believes the Muslims are our Brothers in Christ!


Like or not, you can accept it or hide you head in the sand singing LALALALALALALALALAL all day long!

The fact is Pope Francis is not a True Christian and does not follow Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior!

 

[MikeHenderson]

No mwc68 its not ok to lie.

So why mwc68 do you lie all the time saying you do not Worship Mary?

So why mwc68 do you lie and say Mary was without sin when clearly God has said Mary was a sinner?

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

ALL includes Mary also mwc68. I have just proven you to be a liar mwc68.

 

[MikeHenderson]

The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have much in common:

1. Both the Roman Catholic Church and Islam believe that they are the one true church/religion.

2. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam require mandatory fasting.

3. The Roman Catholic Church worships, prays to and gives titles of God to Mary. Islam highly esteems Mary and she is mentioned 34 times in the Qu'ran.

"Even the infidel Muhammed glorifies Mary in his Koran, saying, 'The angels shall say to Maryam, "Allah has chosen thee; he has made thee exempt from all stain'". The Marian (Roman Catholic) Bible

4. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam base their salvation on a complicated system of works and deny salvation by faith alone. There is no assurance of salvation in either religion.

5. Both cults deny the Biblical view of the Atonement. The Roman Catholic Church doctrine dictates that one must go to Purgatory to have his sins purged, Jesus just paved the way. The Muslims believe their works will save them but will not know until Judgment Day. This is because there is no atonement for sin, and God's grace does not exist.

6. The Roman Catholic Church claims visions and apparitions in an effort to add false doctrine. Muhammad claimed to be purified as a child by angels. He claimed to receive revelations from Archangel Jibril or Gabriel.

7. The Roman Catholic Church uses a rosary for their prayers, Islam uses prayer beads. The rosary/prayer beads are concepts taken from paganism.

8. The Pope is the vicar or substitute of Christ for the Roman Catholic Church. (# 882 RCC Catechism) In Islam, Muhammad is called the last and final Messenger of God, the successor to Jesus.

9. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have their own divorce system. The Roman Catholic Church grants anullments and Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by telling her she is divorced.

10. Islam rejects the Trinity doctrine, the Deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith and teaches that Christians should be killed. However, the Roman Catholic Church accepts them and believes that they are offered salvation because of their faith in Abraham. (# 841 RCC Catechism)

11. Both church organizations believe that leaving their church will result in eternal damnation.

12. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam share a hatred for the Jews.

13. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam base some of their doctrine on pagan traditions. For The Roman Catholic Church the traditions of a goddess, rosary, pope, relics, purgatory, transubstantiation, praying to dead people, and idol worship are all based on paganism. The Allah of Islam was actually a pagan god, and not even the major deity.

14. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have added books to support false doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church has added the Apocrypha and Islam the Qu'ran.

15. The Roman Catholic Church priest system (including Popes) has a history of sexual abuse of women and children. Islam has a history of (including Muhammad) sexual abuse of women and children.

 

[mwc68]

All you have posted is pure opinion and speculation, Mr. Henderson

 

[mwc68]

You say I'm lying about Mary? That's a difference of opinion. You flat out lie about Pope Francis

 

[JoelG]

Mary was a virgin. In that part of the world, most young women are. They are very strict with their women.
Young women today in that part of the world are treated very bad. I read a book where the brother of a pregnant unmarried girl, set her on fire for being pregnant. They will kill their young women for talking on the phone. It's really bad today. Can you imagine back in ancient times?
It seems like people put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Mary was a virgin.
Jesus's mother could have easy been Elizabeth (Mother of John the Baptist and sister to Mary). I could be wrong on this. I don't know why God picked Mary.
Another issue that I find strange with the Catholic church, is the fact that their saints have to be Catholic. Their saints are chosen only from their clergy. Other people who are not catholic are not recognized no matter of all their good accomplishments. And, they pray to them.

 

[KenAllan]

Catholics do not recognize ANY True Christian outside of the Catholic Church. This is because the Catholics have been deceived into believing it was Jesus Christ who built His Church on Peter whom they claim was the very first Pope.

It was on the Truth that Peter said that Jesus Christ was God that Jesus Built His Church on, not on Peter.

The Catholic Church really does not follow Jesus Christ, they follow Mary as their God and they also follow their Saints who really never were True Christians. Everything you hear the Catholics talking about deals more with Mary, their Popes, the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Look at all the False Doctrines they teach about Mary. One Doctrine they teach is how Mary had to be without sin to keep Jesus free from sin while in her womb. They claim sin is passed from the Mother to the child in the womb so therefore Mary HAD to be without sin.

But here is where the Catholics contradict themselves. The Catholics also claim that Mary's Mother did NOT have to be without sin to keep Mary free from Sin. That SOMEHOW by some POWER that Mary had she was able to keep herself free from sin in a womb of a sinner.

Do you see how the Catholics have made Mary GREATER than God by keeping herself free from sin but yet Jesus Christ who IS God could NOT keep himself free from sin!

 

[KenAllan]

Its interesting mwc68 even if God himself came down to you you would still not accept the Truth from God. Its the Catholic Church that is your God mwc68.

Everything you say is just your opinion mwc68. There is no Truth in you mwc68, just lies from Satan.

I find it interesting that the Catholics claim they have the Truth but yet have never opened up the Bible and study it by themselves. Its always what the Catholic Church has told them that the Catholics Parrot back to us. Its almost as if the Catholics cannot think for themselves.

I have not ever post up here anything that a Church has said. Everything i post comes directly from the Scriptures and from hours and hours of study. No Church has ever influenced me as to what i post here. I look to what God has said in the Scriptures and nothing else.

Can you Catholics say the same? NO! You cannot because everything you teach, everything you say, comes not from God but from the corrupted Catholic Church.

 

[fordman]

Fordman you are a typical Catholic. You hide your head in the ground, plugging your ears up and saying lalalalalala, i can't hear you lalalalalal.

Lol!!! How childish! Are you sure you are fifty years old? You sure don't act like it. Besides, you wouldn't know a typical Catholic if one came up to you and said boo!

Tell me fordman, what exactly will you say to Jesus at the White Throne Judgement day when He refuses to allow you to enter into Heaven????

How do you know He won't? Did your Crystal Ball reveal this to you? {rolling eyes}I mean come on dude, you really need to lay of the pipe!

Respect and Honor are two different things. Venerating is Worshiping Mary.

How about backing this up with something. I am not going to take you and your Crystal Ball's word for it.

How can you say fordman you are only venerating Mary when you are on your knees before a Statue of Mary with your hands folded and praying to Mary?

How do you know what is or is not in my heart, or in my thoughts for that matter? Are you saying you can read my mind? I thought only God knows whats in my thoughts and in my heart. Are you putting yourself at the same level as God???? To say you know whats in my thoughts, and whats in my heart is doing just that, making yourself a god! Wow.... how are you going to explain that to Jesus at the White Throne Judgement ?
　

Pope John Paul II did this and Pope John Paul II will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for what he did. Is this what you really want fordman? Because if it is God will toss you into the Lake of Fire along with Pope John Paul II.

Here you go again, making yourself "god-like". Claiming you know the thoughts of people you've never even met! And not only that..... you.... trying to be god-like, are condemning St. John Paul and I to...... how do you put it? By tossing him and I to spend eternity in the "Lake of Fire"!!!! Wow!!!! something else your gonna have to explain to Jesus at the White Throne of Judgement. Oooooooo.... weeeeee! good luck with that. I will continue to pray for you though.

Pax Christi

"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.
　

p.s. when are you going to accept that challenge I put forth to you? I think it may be a step in the right direction for atonement.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. How about the name of the city,State, and parish that supposedly has the forty foot sataues and Icons you spoke of? You gonna give me that information? I'm really looking forward to see that.

 

[mwc68]

Fordman you are a typical Catholic. You hide your head in the ground, plugging your ears up and saying lalalalalala, i can't hear you lalalalalal.

Tell me fordman, what exactly will you say to Jesus at the White Throne Judgement day when He refuses to allow you to enter into Heaven????

Respect and Honor are two different things. Venerating is Worshiping Mary.

How can you say fordman you are only venerating Mary when you are on your knees before a Statue of Mary with your hands folded and praying to Mary?

Pope John Paul II did this and Pope John Paul II will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for what he did. Is this what you really want fordman? Because if it is God will toss you into the Lake of Fire along with Pope John Paul II.

And you are sqeaky clean perfect? Arrogance, so un Christian

 

[fordman]

Fordman, every picture every statue of Mary are a LOT bigger than the pictures or statues of Jesus Christ! To claim it is not so shows you either are too stupid to see the difference or you see nothing wrong with lying to protect you God Mary.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked mec99. If this is true, give me the name of the city,State, and parish so I can see on their web-site for myself, cause this I have to see!

Or are you going to pull the same thing as your ol pal mec99, hoping that I will forget about calling you on it?

And as far as me being stupid. Nope, you got it all turned around. As far as you thinking The Blessed Virgin Mary is my god??? Now thats just plain stupid!

In case you didn't know.....A stream can't rise above its source; likewise, a creature can never rise above its Creator. Sheesh! {rolling eyes}



Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

 

[mwc68]

I'll ask you the same thing I asked mec99. If this is true, give me the name of the city,State, and parish so I can see on their web-site for myself, cause this I have to see!

Or are you going to pull the same thing as your ol pal mec99, hoping that I will forget about calling you on it?

And as far as me being stupid. Nope, you got it all turned around. As far as you thinking The Blessed Virgin Mary is my god??? Now thats just plain stupid!

In case you didn't know.....A stream can't rise above its source; likewise, a creature can never rise above its Creator. Sheesh! {rolling eyes}



Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

They need to come to my Church and they would see how foolish they are. I really doubt they have ever been in a Catholic Church

 

[fordman]

They need to come to my Church and they would see how foolish they are. I really doubt they have ever been in a Catholic Church

Well, lets see. I tossed the ball in their court. They like to talk the talk, now lets see if they have the cojones to walk the walk!

Pax tecum

 

[KenAllan]

Why would anyone need to step foot in a Catholic Church? I know for a fact the Catholics Worship Mary as a God. Look at all the pictures and statues of Mary in the Catholic Church.

How can you Catholics claim to follow Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior when you spend all your time and energies on Worshiping and Praying to Mary?

When you go to confession, the Priest does not tell you to Pray to Jesus for forgiveness of you sins. Instead they demand you Pray to Mary 50 times or more for the forgiveness of your sins!

Mary cannot forgive you for you sins and Praying to Mary IS a sin!

Why do you Catholics hate God so much that you turn to Mary as your God? Do you NOT know that as long as you pray to and Worship Mary that God cannot allow you to enter into Heaven?

 

[Mec99]

I find it interesting the Catholics claim its the True Christian, the True Children of God that has been brainwashed into believing the lies in the Bible.

I believe its just the opposite. I believe its the Catholics who have been brainwashed into believing there are lies in the Scriptures from God.

Why fordman do YOU demand us True Christians had better honored Mary? or else? Or else what? Or else Satan will hate us?

All Honor and Glory belongs to God only fordman. Or could it be that Mary IS your God? And that is why YOU insist we HAVE to Honor YOUR God?

And by the way fordman I do believe what Jesus Christ said that all those who have the Word of God are MORE Blessed than Mary! Therefore I AM more Blessed than you God Mary!