Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

Yes we would, but the tulipists are content with God being unjust/showing favoritism and hating the non-elect.

Why are they content with trite hyper-cal buzzwords and catchphrases when they should be actually studying what the text says? Anybody?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3754/kjv/tr/66-1/#lexResults

Rev 3:10
Because G3754 thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

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The KJV translates Strong's G3754 in the following manner: that (612x), for (264x), because (173x), how that (21x), how (11x), miscellaneous (212x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. that, because, since

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ὅτι hóti, hot'-ee; neuter of G3748 as conjunction; demonstrative, that (sometimes redundant); causative, because:—as concerning that, as though, because (that), for (that), how (that), (in) that, though, why.

 

[cv5]

Why are they content with trite hyper-cal buzzwords and catchphrases when they should be actually studying what the text says? Anybody?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3754/kjv/tr/66-1/#lexResults

Rev 3:10
Because G3754 thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

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The KJV translates Strong's G3754 in the following manner: that (612x), for (264x), because (173x), how that (21x), how (11x), miscellaneous (212x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. that, because, since

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ὅτι hóti, hot'-ee; neuter of G3748 as conjunction; demonstrative, that (sometimes redundant); causative, because:—as concerning that, as though, because (that), for (that), how (that), (in) that, though, why.

Just waiting for a hyper-cal response something like:

"that is a works based rapture!" blah blah blah.

When the truth is that this near future rapture is the privilege accorded to ALL those who FREELY enter the Covenant by declaring "I DO" and mean it, holding to their commitment in good faith.

 

[NightTwister]

So in a nutshell, Hyper calvinism is like-: Certain people have been chosen to be saved. No matter what they do. They are born chosen. fair enough.

If that was me, in pity or guilt I would ask my Benevolent Miracle Making Father to Help me save the rest of the humans myself then.

That's not hyper-Calvinism, though many here like to bear false witness saying that it is.

 

[Kroogz]

That's not hyper-Calvinism, though many here like to bear false witness saying that it is.

I agree with you on the surface of it. That is more like 3 point or 4 point calvinism.....with some "nice" thrown in.

Hyper-calvies believe God elected some and hate the rest.


But in the end...........They are the same. Sugar coated by the majority. But some have the testicular fortitude to be straight up honest about it.

@rogerg is one of them..........The rest of you sugar coat, hee haw and dance around the logical conclusion. IMO, that is WORSE.

 

[cv5]

That's not hyper-Calvinism, though many here like to bear false witness saying that it is.

The fact is, most of those following the Reformed "tradition" base their soteriology and theology on:
-acronyms (TULIP ect)
-buzzwords (predestined)
-catchphrases (no not one)
-creeds and confessional dogma

As you can see on this thread, a faulty understanding and misapprehension of the MAJORITY of passages
is the rule rather than the exception.

For example:
[Psa 53:3 KJV] 3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.
[Rom 3:10 KJV] 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

The Calvinists wrongly assume that these are some kind of Reformed declarative statements, intended to be so.
What are they ACUALLY? David's confession to God regarding HIS very specific sins.

What these passages are NOT: Calvinism in any way shape or form.

 

[GWH]

Why are they content with trite hyper-cal buzzwords and catchphrases when they should be actually studying what the text says? Anybody?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3754/kjv/tr/66-1/#lexResults

Rev 3:10
Because G3754 thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

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The KJV translates Strong's G3754 in the following manner: that (612x), for (264x), because (173x), how that (21x), how (11x), miscellaneous (212x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. that, because, since

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ὅτι hóti, hot'-ee; neuter of G3748 as conjunction; demonstrative, that (sometimes redundant); causative, because:—as concerning that, as though, because (that), for (that), how (that), (in) that, though, why.

Why are some people content with believing in TULIP?

Perhaps because they were brain-washed when young
and now find it difficult/embarrassing to admit being wrong.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why are some people content with believing in TULIP?

Perhaps because they were brain-washed when young
and now find it difficult/embarrassing to admit being wrong.

I think it is like a "security blanket" for some people.... a "full system" that gives answers, albeit wrong ones.

 

[Kroogz]

I think it is like a "security blanket" for some people.... a "full system" that gives answers, albeit wrong ones.

From my experience........It is an exclusive club. And that appeals to our arrogance and pride.

 

[Kroogz]

I think it is like a "security blanket" for some people.... a "full system" that gives answers, albeit wrong ones.

Equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL..........This is a decimating statement to an " Exclusive" Club. And to our arrogance.

 

[HeIsHere]

From my experience........It is an exclusive club. And that appeals to our arrogance and pride.

Yes, we see I do see it as a kind of arrogance when they assume that their critics reject their view because they don't understand along with the fact that they consider themselves as the specifically chosen for salvation.

Yet, I have met some who do not really understand TULIP/determinism in an academic way but find comfort in the fact that it distills everything into a very simple understandable format.

 

[Jordon]

Just waiting for a hyper-cal response something like:

"that is a works based rapture!" blah blah blah.

When the truth is that this near future rapture is the privilege accorded to ALL those who FREELY enter the Covenant by declaring "I DO" and mean it, holding to their commitment in good faith.

the fact is your suffering with calvinism derangement syndrome, whislt being inflicted with Catholicism.

And its also evident it's taken over your head

 

[HeIsHere]

the fact is your suffering with calvinism derangement syndrome, whislt being inflicted with Catholicism.

And its also evident it's taken over your head

I seems to me, promoting and believing a non biblical system of salvation is closer to derangement, than believing scripture, but that just me.

I think this guy is spot on, as they say.

 

[NightTwister]

Why are some people content with believing in TULIP?

Perhaps because they were brain-washed when young
and now find it difficult/embarrassing to admit being wrong.

I was in my 40s when I came to that doctrinal understanding. I grew up in the church of Christ which most definitely does not believe in reformed doctrines. None of the other churches I attended believed that either (e.g. Assembly of God, Baptist, Church of God, etc.).

 

[cv5]

Rev 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

ev 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that G2443 (conjunction) they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take G2983 the water of life freely.

g2983
λαμβανέτω λαμβάνω
lambanō

 

[cv5]

I seems to me, promoting and believing a non biblical system of salvation is closer to derangement, than believing scripture, but that just me.

I think this guy is spot on, as they say.

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Have any of the hard-core hyper-cals around here actually learned a thing or two about what Jesus actually says about this topic?
I sure hope so. At this point they are without excuse.

 

[cv5]

Rev 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people—

Rev 14:7
saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

This angel never heard of Reformed theology?