Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

OL I think I understand you now

You need to understand that God saves by means of covenant.

 

[Kroogz]

Was just rereading Revelation and it speaks about the Devil, the Dragon, the Accuser of us all that he is daily at throne of God showing God our sins.

And the reality of these accusations?.....Satan condemns HIMSELF.

The angelic/Kingdom conflict is the REAL war that surrounds us.

And the reformed/calvie/tulip believers are USELESS in this war. Saved as if through fire.

 

[Kroogz]

There are levels......

Unintentional and deceived?

Or a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Anybody's guess at this point........But leans a particular direction from all the DOCTRINE being rejected.

 

[Genez]

Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Doesn't sound like Satan is in control.

You resist the Devil by continuing to grow in grace and sound doctrine.

If you fail to resist? That believer will end up thinking goofy doctrine.

 

[Genez]

He's not bound specially. He is bound in the power he can assert.

Do us a favor?

Give us the phone number you use, so we can ask the Devil for ourselves.

 

[sawdust]

He's not bound specially. He is bound in the power he can assert.

He's always been bound in the power he can assert. Have you forgotten Job so soon?

 

[lrs68]

And the reality of these accusations?.....Satan condemns HIMSELF.

The angelic/Kingdom conflict is the REAL war that surrounds us.

And the reformed/calvie/tulip believers are USELESS in this war. Saved as if through fire.

LOL yep!

Him being the cause that led to our Sin Nature only magnifies his eternal state of future damnation with each sin he points out to God. The perfect example of another nail in the coffin with each sinful act mentioned in the ear of God.

 

[Genez]

He's always been bound in the power he can assert. Have you forgotten Job so soon?

You need to spell it out for him.

Satan had to ask "permission" to go after Job. Job 2:1-7.

 

[sawdust]

You need to spell it out for him.

Satan had to ask "permission" to go after Job. Job 2:1-7.

Yes, and let's not forget Lk.8:31-33 where the demons had to ask permission to go into swine.

But here's the irony. Sin binds our will but Satan can do as he pleases? I don't think so.

 

[Blain]

You need to understand that God saves by means of covenant.

What makes you think I don't? there is a distinction between the old and new covanent

 

[HeIsHere]

Come to think of it, infinite Jesus God possesses infinite blood of infinite potency.
More than enough to go around, considering that sins are merely finite.

The constraint is the reality that there are those who do not want it.

Well exactly, TULIP is all about putting God in a "finite man" constructed box.

 

[Kroogz]

Since we are deep in the Passover, please edify us by expounding on the following. Use Biblical passages as proofs.

The Book of John has (4) Passovers.
Each Passover relates to the (4) cups of the Passover.

Tell us what are the nature and descriptions of the (4) cups.
Then tell us which Passover relates to which cup.
Then tell us how these are directly related to the 153 fish of John 21.

You say and you think that you are a teacher?
Well then teach us teacher. If you are able.
Or is strong meat too much for your delicate stomach?
If this is too tough, maybe you need to stick to your diet of pablum.

You see, this is being taught to me (right now actually) by an ACTUAL teacher, a wise man, a diligent thoughtful man,
a man who dug deeply sought earnestly. A man we can all trust to teach what is right in good conscience.

Would it be possible for you to link us this study?

I would be very interested in listening to it.

Thanks brother.

 

[cv5]

What makes you think I don't? there is a distinction between the old and new covanent

Actually, there are more similarities than differences.

Each follow the "Passover pattern" to perfection and intentionally.
Both require that one "enter in" by an act of free will, predicated upon belief and obedience.

You may deduce the overt intentional Passover pattern of the New Covenant in John.
The 7 miracles of John match the Passover pattern PEFECTLY.
As do the (4) Passover cups at the (4) Passovers noted (see Jn 2:13, 5:1, 6:4, 13:1).
Of course the crucifixion week is the ultimate antitype of the Passover pattern.

FYI, the (4) cups at the (4) Passovers, 7 miracles and 153 fish of Jn 21 prove CONCLUSIVELY that:
-Jesus is the Savior, the Christ, the Son of the Living God
-Calvinism/Reformed/super-determinist soteriological dogma is utterly bogus

Recall that I offered you all of those links from Chronister?
The intention was that you would gather your own manna and LEARN what the Bible actually says
about these aforementioned things. Use the search tool and you will find the lectures on these matters.

Or you could waste time dialoguing with the super-determinists around here
who are hopelessly mired in a state of ignorance, this of their own making and desire. Your choice.

 

[cv5]

Would it be possible for you to link us this study?

I would be very interested in listening to it.

Thanks brother.

Glad you asked. Use the search tool.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/search/153 fish/

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/search/Passover pattern/

There is MUCH much more needed to get the full picture.
That's the thing with Chronister, you need to sift through everything he says to
find the related lectures that fill in the blanks. It ain't easy.

And this can take MONTHS.
Who here is willing to spend MONTHS and YEARS seeking and finding?

 

[Blain]

Actually, there are more similarities than differences.

Each follow the "Passover pattern" to perfection and intentionally.
Both require that one "enter in" by an act of free will, predicated upon belief and obedience.

You may deduce the overt intentional Passover pattern of the New Covenant in John.
The 7 miracles of John match the Passover pattern PEFECTLY.
As do the (4) Passover cups at the (4) Passovers noted (see Jn 2:13, 5:1, 6:4, 13:1).
Of course the crucifixion week is the ultimate antitype of the Passover pattern.

FYI, the (4) cups at the (4) Passovers, 7 miracles and 153 fish of Jn 21 prove CONCLUSIVELY that:
-Jesus is the Savior, the Christ, the Son of the Living God
-Calvinism/Reformed/super-determinist soteriological dogma is utterly bogus

Recall that I offered you all of those links from Chronister?
The intention was that you would gather your own manna and LEARN what the Bible actually says
about these aforementioned things. Use the search tool and you will find the lectures on these matters.

Or you could waste time dialoguing with the super-determinists around here
who are hopelessly mired in a state of ignorance, this of their own making and desire. Your choice.

What I meant about them being distinct is that salvation in the new covanent differs from the old as the old covanent was actually more of a works type thing but the new relies on grace and the finnished work of the cross.

Though to be fair you might have a better grasp on the actual functions of all that the covanents entail but as far as salvation goes the two covanents work differently

 

[cv5]

What I meant about them being distinct is that salvation in the new covanent differs from the old as the old covanent was actually more of a works type thing but the new relies on grace and the finnished work of the cross.

Though to be fair you might have a better grasp on the actual functions of all that the covanents entail but as far as salvation goes the two covanents work differently

Sorry young man, I have no time to waste on you with message board trivial pursuits.
I gave you strong meat, if you have no stomach for it, so be it.

But never forget: God gave you opportunity for greater blessing.

 

[Blain]

Sorry young man, I have no time to waste on you with message board trivial pursuits.
I gave you strong meat, if you have no stomach for it, so be it.

But never forget: God gave you opportunity for greater blessing.

? sorry but I don't understand what I said wrong and it isn't as if I rejected what you wrote and I am looking at the links you provided so I am not sure what you are upset about

 

[Kroogz]

Glad you asked. Use the search tool.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/search/153 fish/

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/search/Passover pattern/

There is MUCH much more needed to get the full picture.
That's the thing with Chronister, you need to sift through everything he says to
find the related lectures that fill in the blanks. It ain't easy.

And this can take MONTHS.
Who here is willing to spend MONTHS and YEARS seeking and finding?

I have had that problem. Lots of digging around to find a continuity to it.....doesn't bother me though, everything I have heard is very worthy of a listen!

Thank you sir.

 

[cv5]

Actually, there are more similarities than differences.

Each follow the "Passover pattern" to perfection and intentionally.
Both require that one "enter in" by an act of free will, predicated upon belief and obedience.

You may deduce the overt intentional Passover pattern of the New Covenant in John.
The 7 miracles of John match the Passover pattern PEFECTLY.
As do the (4) Passover cups at the (4) Passovers noted (see Jn 2:13, 5:1, 6:4, 13:1).
Of course the crucifixion week is the ultimate antitype of the Passover pattern.

FYI, the (4) cups at the (4) Passovers, 7 miracles and 153 fish of Jn 21 prove CONCLUSIVELY that:
-Jesus is the Savior, the Christ, the Son of the Living God
-Calvinism/Reformed/super-determinist soteriological dogma is utterly bogus

Recall that I offered you all of those links from Chronister?
The intention was that you would gather your own manna and LEARN what the Bible actually says
about these aforementioned things. Use the search tool and you will find the lectures on these matters.

Or you could waste time dialoguing with the super-determinists around here
who are hopelessly mired in a state of ignorance, this of their own making and desire. Your choice.

Oh one other thing @Blain :

The New Covenant follows the Passover pattern perfectly, yes.
But what it ALSO "contains" in ADDITION is the (12) step Hebrew betrothal protocol.
This the Old Covenant DOES NOT have.

The distinction being that we are the (gentile) Virgin Bride.

Rth 4:13
So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife; and when he went in to her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bore a son.

Jhn 6:37
“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Jhn 14:2
“In My Father's house are many mansions;[fn] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[fn]

 

[Genez]

Well exactly, TULIP is all about putting God in a "finite man" constructed box.

A finite man who has to force people to believe.
They who can not resist His will.
That is something that Satan resorts to in making people to conform to his own agenda.

Men can resist God's will.

Evidence A?
Pharaoh.

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