Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
Matthew 2 says they followed a star in search of the King of the Jews. Somehow they knew the star would lead them and it would lead them to the King of the Jews. How do Persian wise men know of a Jewish King and the sign of His coming?
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I told you ... Zoroastrianism was the religion of ancient Persia (still is for a minority of Iranians) ... the Persian astrologers saw a sign in the heavens which I also informed you of ... a delegation travelled from Persia to Jerusalem to welcome the King of the Jews. My belief is that Daniel passed information to the Persian astrologers concerning the coming Messiah ... whatever "sign" the astrologers saw at the time of Messiah's birth was recognized by the astrologers of that day. And I'm not saying that Daniel spoke of the movement of planets and stars within constellations ... what I'm saying is that the astrologers saw the movement and they believed it was a sign of the King spoken of by Daniel.

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Genez said:
What many do not realize....
The Magi came from the area that had been highly influenced by Daniel.

Daniel served as a high-ranking official, essentially a prime minister or chief administrator,
in the Babylonian and later Medo-Persian empires, appointed for his wisdom and integrity
by successive kings like Nebuchadnezzar and Darius the Mede, rising to oversee the entire
kingdom despite being a captive. He managed government affairs, interpreted dreams, and
gained immense authority, becoming the most trusted advisor to the rulers..
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yes ... I understand this truth. Daniel's time in Babylon was some 500 years prior to birth of Messiah. Daniel was held in high regard by both Nebuchadnezzar and Darius.

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reneweddaybyday said:
I also pointed out verses which state that the heavens reveal the glory of God ...

Psalm 19:1-3 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.


Psalm 97:6 The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

God's glory in creation is one of the ways God draws mankind to Himself.

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You desperate. There's no natural revelation of Christ or the Father, it's spiritual and supernatural Matt 11:27

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
you didn't say the gospel ... you said Christ​


lots of folks believe Jesus lived and He lived when He lived, yet they do not believe the gospel of Christ ... you've probably got some folks sitting in the pews of the church you attend who know "of" Christ ... but they do not believe the gospel of Christ so they are not born again. Those who are born again are instructed to grow in the grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Pet 3:18).

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I don't know what you talking about but the Gospel is about Christ Rom 1 16

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

You just like to argue about everything
 
Genez said:
No need to shout.
Some here walk in the Spirit.
They saw it coming a mile away.

You do not understand that you are not fooling anyone but yourself.
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Theses are your words, i don't have your issues or your problems, and its not my doing the way you are, or the way you come across, or the way you behave, your responsible for you.

All your false accusations and assertions are not true of people in this thread,

And all your ideas are not the perfect either, neither are they fully backed up with the word, and as much you like to aways believe your right, your not.

You have issue with God making people believe

You can never repent

You can't even take a joke

You can hardly ever accept your mistakes

You constantly call people names there not.

You constantly twist scripture against somebody to say the exact opposite of what there saying.

You also will carry on to do so even when you get told to stop.

You've accused good Christians of being evil, witches, demon possessed, queers, whilst all along never ever admitting your own mistake. You say the most cruelest of things, and then you paint the picture that where like that ?. Your obviously crazy mate.

And then you come out with remarks that we need to find a good teacher, what a joke.

Then you say things I will not repent unless I get an apology from God,

Personally I believe this has become a place for you, to be a person you can never be.


You can't keep excusing your behaviour, and then appeal to compassion, to say where all wrong for your behaviour. And make out where doing wrong.

And you shouldn't keep making up excuses against people that don't exist, to justify your own actions,

Anyhow this is what I think of you mate
 
brightfame52 said:
You desperate. There's no natural revelation of Christ or the Father, it's spiritual and supernatural Matt 11:27

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal
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you are purposefully misconstruing what was stated ... I said God's glory in creation is one of the ways God draws mankind to Himself.

Creation is not the only way God draws mankind.

The written Word is another way ... God sending faithful believers to speak the truth is another way ... and first and foremost is God sending His Son ... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).

talk about argumentative ... sheesh ...

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Jordon said:
Theses are your words, i don't have your issues or your problems, and its not my doing the way you are, or the way you come across, or the way you behave, your responsible for you.

All your false accusations and assertions are not true of people in this thread,

And all your ideas are not the perfect either, neither are they fully backed up with the word, and as much you like to aways believe your right, your not.

You have issue with God making people believe

You can never repent

You can't even take a joke

You can hardly ever accept your mistakes

You constantly call people names there not.

You constantly twist scripture against somebody to say the exact opposite of what there saying.

You also will carry on to do so even when you get told to stop.

You've accused good Christians of being evil, witches, demon possessed, queers, whilst all along never ever admitting your own mistake. You say the most cruelest of things, and then you paint the picture that where like that ?. Your obviously crazy mate.

And then you come out with remarks that we need to find a good teacher, what a joke.

Then you say things I will not repent unless I get an apology from God,

Personally I believe this has become a place for you, to be a person you can never be.


You can't keep excusing your behaviour, and then appeal to compassion, to say where all wrong for your behaviour. And make out where doing wrong.

And you shouldn't keep making up excuses against people that don't exist, to justify your own actions,

Anyhow this is what I think of you mate
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I realize that you are aware that some people here can not stand me.
I am aware of that.

So you chose to begin to badger me as to win their approval.
That's all I get from you.
 
Jordon said:
Theses are your words, i don't have your issues or your problems, and its not my doing the way you are, or the way you come across, or the way you behave, your responsible for you.

All your false accusations and assertions are not true of people in this thread,

And all your ideas are not the perfect either, neither are they fully backed up with the word, and as much you like to aways believe your right, your not.

You have issue with God making people believe

You can never repent

You can't even take a joke

You can hardly ever accept your mistakes

You constantly call people names there not.

You constantly twist scripture against somebody to say the exact opposite of what there saying.

You also will carry on to do so even when you get told to stop.

You've accused good Christians of being evil, witches, demon possessed, queers, whilst all along never ever admitting your own mistake. You say the most cruelest of things, and then you paint the picture that where like that ?. Your obviously crazy mate.

And then you come out with remarks that we need to find a good teacher, what a joke.

Then you say things I will not repent unless I get an apology from God,

Personally I believe this has become a place for you, to be a person you can never be.


You can't keep excusing your behaviour, and then appeal to compassion, to say where all wrong for your behaviour. And make out where doing wrong.

And you shouldn't keep making up excuses against people that don't exist, to justify your own actions,

Anyhow this is what I think of you mate
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If you do not want to be accused of being a witch?
Then... Don't flaunt paganism as your calling card in what is supposed to be a Christian forum.

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Genez said:
If you do not want to be accused of being a witch?
Then... Don't flaunt paganism as your calling card in what is supposed to be a Christian forum.

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as always your stone called nature shines through, you say your a mature person in Christ and your a good ambassador, watching out for false teachings, but yet you can't take any responsibility for your crazy behaviour I've just pointed out, and you are doing these things all the time, and once again you turn it around on me.

There's absolutely noway you've ever made any genuine repentance or change in your nature as far as I can see, people like you should be banned from the internet
 
Genez said:
I realize that you are aware that some people here can not stand me.
I am aware of that.

So you chose to begin to badger me as to win their approval.
That's all I get from you.
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your self pity will only satisfy satan, what your better of doing is repenting.

It's easy if you really want to stop being a bully you can stop.

And btw your getting what you deserve pal
 
Jordon said:
as always your stone called nature shines through, you say your a mature person in Christ and your a good ambassador, watching out for false teachings, but yet you can't take any responsibility for your crazy behaviour I've just pointed out, and you are doing these things all the time, and once again you turn it around on me.

There's absolutely noway you've ever made any genuine repentance or change in your nature as far as I can see, people like you should be banned from the internet
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I never said that.

I said this. AND IT IS TRUTH!


If you do not want to be accused of being a witch?
Then... Don't flaunt paganism as your calling card in what is supposed to be a Christian forum.

What I said is true.

You can not be honest.
That has been established by now.
 
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