Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Tell us then...What do you have up your sleeve?

What exactly did Jesus accomplish on the Cross that paid for our sins?
As God? He could not die.

you seem to be saying payment is dew for magenta, the way you come across

All tho you could say when Jesus went to the cross it also made payment dew for everyone, in terms of the start of the rapture

 

[Jordon]

Only by the express permission of the will. Only if you are willing to do God's will. If you aren't you won't.

on second thoughts do you mean to say I have to will my free will

I thought it was free

 

[Genez]

will you or won't you, is a nice idea but will you

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves ​

and take up their cross and follow me."​

Do you have the will for that?

You must do the denying of yourself.
You must will to take up your own cross.

How does that work for you?

I see you emotionally reacting, and acting like a kid too much, to be one of His disciples.

No free will?

 

[brightfame52]

But it doesn't say it's hidden because they are lost

It says the gospel is hidden to them that are lost

 

[brightfame52]

The parts God made simple to understand like "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"? No, no Greek required

The Lord Jesus Christ is not the false christ that is a potential savior and died for all mankind. Do you realize that?

 

[brightfame52]

You think that we/you don't? Preposterous

No it's not necessary. Do you think Greek speaking people can understand the scriptures just because they speak and read Greek? I believe all one needs is for the Spirit of God in them leading them into the truth of the scriptures via a reliable English version like the KJV, but I believe the Greek can be helpful, I studied it in Bible college.

 

[Jordon]

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves ​

and take up their cross and follow me."​

Do you have the will for that?

You must do the denying of yourself.
You must will to take up your own cross.

How does that work for you?

I see you emotionally reacting, and acting like a kid too much, to be one of His disciples.

No free will?

What's with all your drama anyhoo with you your like queen victoria walking around beheading everyone , but hey it's all fine and dandy mr monkey

But all this can only be done with the faith of the lord instilled in you, to carry your cross does not mean you have to be Mr macho pants, all tho I suspect your pantioes are nickers, and you can't keep them on lol.

 

[Genez]

The Lord Jesus Christ is not the false christ that is a potential savior and died for all mankind. Do you realize that?

He accomplished all that was needed to save all people.

For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, ​

who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. " 1 Timothy 4:10​

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Why do you think God will be so wrathful with those who fail to believe? He died for them on the Cross!

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Titus 2:11-13​

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I am sticking with the Word.​

 

[Genez]

What's with all your drama anyhoo with you your like queen victoria walking around beheading everyone , but hey it's all fine and dandy mr monkey

But all this can only be done with the faith of the lord instilled in you, to carry your cross does not mean you have to be Mr macho pants, all tho I suspect your pantioes are nickers, and you can't keep them on lol.

The Bible is for adults. Making them to grow up to become an adult.
You are still carnal if you can treat the Word of God that way...

 

[cv5]

No it's not necessary. Do you think Greek speaking people can understand the scriptures just because they speak and read Greek? I believe all one needs is for the Spirit of God in them leading them into the truth of the scriptures via a reliable English version like the KJV, but I believe the Greek can be helpful, I studied it in Bible college.

If you actually studied the original tongues, the Jewish mindset, near-east though patterns etc. you would rightly comprehend the Bible (codified in mnemonics many times) patterns and message. And you wouldn't be stuck in your Calvinist dungeon of ignorance.

Categorically the Reformed/Calvinists are for all intents and purposes 100% wrong 100% of the time. It's truly an amazing phenomenon to behold. But this is to be expected if you are looking for Reformed dogma in every verse when in fact none exists anywhere.

Interestingly, there are many Calvinists on this thread that have never exegeted one solitary verse correctly by my reckoning.

And FYI, the Passover pattern and Jewish wedding protocol pattern utterly destroy Calvinism. And you haven't the foggiest idea of why.

 

[sawdust]

Absolutely 1:77 --79 is about salvation. What is being stated in 1:77 is a specific statement that salvation occurs first and knowledge of the things of salvation follows after and from salvation, not before. It is a statement of fact simply stated -so I don't understand how you cannot see that from a straightforward, honest, reading of the verse - it isn't complicated. And any different interpretation is simply incorrect and clearly misrepresents the verse. Verse 1:78-79 relates back to 1:77 explaining that salvation is given through the tender mercies of God and provides edification as to what comes from salvation - also very simply stated that an honest reading would see. Any different interpretation is simply incorrect and misrepresents the verses. All three verses are interrelated - not independent of each other and therefore should be understood as one complete doctrine.

I've never said it wasn't about salvation. It's Zechariah's prophecy concerning his son John. He is saying John will grow to pave the way for the Messiah and let people know that salvation is at hand for the nation of Israel. Of course what Israel didn't know is that salvation would come by way of forgiveness of sin (ie. the Cross) and not an armed warrior like David.

If anything it says the very opposite of what you claim (the bit in bold) in that it is John who comes first with the knowledge of salvation and then the Christ comes with salvation.

 

[sawdust]

It says the gospel is hidden to them that are lost

... because they don't believe.

 

[sawdust]

The Lord Jesus Christ is not the false christ that is a potential savior and died for all mankind. Do you realize that?

You know Christ died for our sin, not our salvation. Our salvation is in His resurrection, His death cleared the way to make life possible. Christ could die a thousand deaths, but if there were no resurrection, no life for anyone. We live, because He lives.

I realize that is what you believe. I believe His death removed the sin barrier for everyone so that whosoever believes can come.

 

[cv5]

If anything it says the very opposite of what you claim (the bit in bold) in that it is John who comes first with the knowledge of salvation and then the Christ comes with salvation.

Obviously you are correct. So then ask yourself how is it remotely possible for anyone to be so utterly wrong about this?

BTW I was thinking about posting a similar rebuttal but then I considered the nature of the audience and recognized that the effort would be a total waste of my time.

 

[GWH]

Obviously you are correct. So then ask yourself how is it remotely possible for anyone to be so utterly wrong about this?

BTW I was thinking about posting a similar rebuttal but then I considered the nature of the audience and recognized that the effort would be a total waste of my time.

It is possible because choosing to believe TULIP exercises MFW.
Witnessing is a waste of time with those not seeking truth.

 

[Blue155]

Witnessing is a waste of time with those not seeking truth.

Yes..and according to Calvinists, one does not have the ability to seek until God supernaturally regenerates them.

 

[GWH]

Yes..and according to Calvinists, one does not have the ability to seek until God supernaturally regenerates them.

True Blue, although not everything Calvin taught was untrue, which is why I narrow the accusation of heresy to tulipism,
which is possible because choosing to believe TULIP exercises MFW (James 1:22, 4:17), and choosing not to seek truth
makes witnessing to those with closed minds a waste of time (Matt. 13:14-15/Acts 28:26-27).

 

[Jordon]

The Bible is for adults. Making them to grow up to become an adult.
You are still carnal if you can treat the Word of God that way...

Jesus said Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Jordon]

True Blue, although not everything Calvin taught was untrue, which is why I narrow the accusation of heresy to tulipism,
which is possible because choosing to believe TULIP exercises MFW (James 1:22, 4:17), and choosing not to seek truth
makes witnessing to those with closed minds a waste of time (Matt. 13:14-15/Acts 28:26-27).

Your obsessed with tulip more than any Calvie affiliated people just saying

 

[Jordon]

Yes..and according to Calvinists, one does not have the ability to seek until God supernaturally regenerates them.

being given a new heart is all about regeneration, all tho evidently for you its a painful experience