Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Do not choose to believe despite overwhelming evidence. They were informed.....but did not consent to the marriage proposal.
The parts God made simple to understand like "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"? No, no Greek required.
But as it wasn't written in English and even the Greek it was written in has changed over the years, there are things that can be learned from those who study the ancient languages that our English words do not sufficiently convey. Example, we have one word for love the Greeks had seven (I think).
But if you never, never seek, you never, never find.
Then it should read "give light to the chosen who sit in darkness" as everyone of us sits in darkness. One might be inclined to become a universalist if they read it as automatic salvation to those in the dark and the shadow of death.
You really need to look at it in the Greek as it says nothing about edification. It is simply knowledge (gnosis), what we term colloquially as "head knowledge, not heart knowledge".
Lots of people have the knowledge Christ died for our sin but they don't believe it.
God changes the heart of those He saved; the head is edified by Him to catch up to it. Edification is a biblical work that I
used to try to communicate with you - I thought you would understand its meaning in the biblical context, but I guess not.
Lots of people have knowledge of Christ, but not many truly believe in Him as the sole Savior - they see man as being a co-savior - but that knowledge can only be given by God and is not available to the intellect of natural man
I think we're done.
Nope God really can make a waySo the message there is that God's need for us is so overwhelming He forces us to believe?
Not the best analogy. Suggest you stick with scripture.
Isaiah 43:19
King James Version
19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
Tell us then...What do you have up your sleeve?
What exactly did Jesus accomplish on the Cross that paid for our sins?
As God? He could not die.
You think that we/you don't? Preposterous. The KJV translators were prodigy geniuses in Greek, Hebrew and other near East languages. Profound intellects.
But for the Calvinist, fine scholarship is treated with contempt. Posts with useful content are routinely ignored or swatted down. And the standard routine is endless regulation of bogus Reformed dogma.
Too bad so sad. But not my problem.
Well, I tried to explain to you that the knowledge in Lk.1:77 is gnosis which is simply knowledge, no edification attached. Think Gnostics where they saw salvation as having certain knowledge alone.
What is being imparted in Luke is not salvation but simply the knowledge that the long awaited Messiah has finally come to save them and He will do it by forgiving their sin.
I understand what edification is. I just don't hold to seeing all scripture through the lens of your Reformed viewpoint. I try to let scripture speak for itself which, is sometimes why I turn to the Greek and more than one translation etc etc.
Have a nice day Roger. We will not agree on this matter I think.
this little Billy the kid says God can make a way
Poor kid should have just ordered this and skip the drama...
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I suspect Mr monkey you'll only learn the hard way
Get with the program...
I took Mr. Monkey to the Cross.
Only by the express permission of the will. Only if you are willing to do God's will. If you aren't you won't.
That whole speech nothing more than Calvinist fantasy and wish-casting, none of it Biblical.
Absolutely 1:77 --79 is about salvation. What is being stated in 1:77 is a specific statement that salvation occurs first and knowledge of the things of salvation follows after and from salvation, not before. It is a statement of fact simply stated -so I don't understand how you cannot see that from a straightforward, honest, reading of the verse - it isn't complicated. And any different interpretation is simply incorrect and clearly misrepresents the verse. Verse 1:78-79 relates back to 1:77 explaining that salvation is given through the tender mercies of God and provides edification as to what comes from salvation - also very simply stated that an honest reading would see. Any different interpretation is simply incorrect and misrepresents the verses. All three verses are interrelated - not independent of each other and therefore should be understood as one complete doctrine.