Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[rogerg]

I get that line of reasoning atleast. However is dosent clear up weather or not we actually have to get on our knees and repent. Your first paragraph here says you do not have to do that. Your belief is the true repentance. Its good enough. If I am gonna be learning about different doctrine I want to get down to the brass tacks here. Do we have to repent?

If Christ is the Savior, why would anything else be necessary on our part to become saved.

 

[Jordon]

So if they are unsaved till the day God decides to regenerate them does that mean 1000 people can stand in front of a semi truck doing a 120mph and the ones that survive must be the predestined ones?

God's devine nature is apparently out of your grasp here

 

[Jackson129]

If Christ is the Savior, why would anything else be necessary on our part to become saved.

Got it we can do whatever we want as long as we are the predestined ones.

 

[rogerg]

Got it we can do whatever we want as long as we are the predestined ones.

What do you mean by "whatever we want"?

 

[HeIsHere]

So if they are unsaved till the day God decides to regenerate them does that mean 1000 people can stand in front of a semi truck doing a 120mph and the ones that survive must be the predestined ones?

That is an interesting way to put it, but seems accurate, according to how they put together their patchwork of verses out of context of course.

 

[Jackson129]

We are saved when we believe, but God is already at work within us before this.

You are on a differnt level than the other ones here. Thats a good thing by the way lol

 

[Jordon]

Got it we can do whatever we want as long as we are the predestined ones.

doest work like that,.

What your citing here is logical fallacy.

Paul did what he wanted until he was saved, why well it's called free will of the flesh, everyone suffers it in God's eyes, and you can still be predestined because he knows your beginning from your end, where as the utterly buttered free willers don't know which side of the bread there buttered on,

 

[Jackson129]

What do you mean by "whatever we want"?

Don't have to repent dont have to read the Bible. You go to bars chase women.if you are predestined you can't go anywhere but up.

 

[rogerg]

Got it we can do whatever we want as long as we are the predestined ones.

Take Saul (Paul) for an example. Before being saved, according to Paul himself, he was the chief sinner and did nothing
whatsoever to become saved except to be chosen by God for it. Afterwards, however, he changed dramatically and lived the life of a true Christian - at least as well as anyone in the flesh can

 

[Jackson129]

That is an interesting way to put it, but but seems accurate, according to how they put together their patchwork of verses out of context of course.

I guess I just can't follow the line of reasoning. Even before I came to Jesus while I was at the bar chasing women or whatever else. I was actually saved and didnt even know it.

 

[HeIsHere]

You are on a differnt level than the other ones here. Thats a good thing by the way lol

He believes a person is regenerated first, that regeneration is NOT salvation, it is a given ability to believe.

He follows the exact same doctrine, limited atonement, unconditional election and on..... don't be fooled.

 

[cv5]

One of the most gracious things God did was set the condition for eternal life as faith in Christ.

We all can't make donations, pilgrimages, read books, or memorize prayers.

Faith - the smallest child or the most vile adult can come to Jesus in faith at the hearing of the Gospel.
Amen
Pastor R. Wilson.

This because God is fair and just in the matter of salvation. It's a level playing field, a good faith proposition, and the only right way.

There are no alternatives. Which disqualifies Calvinism.

 

[HeIsHere]

I guess I just can't follow the line of reasoning. Even before I came to Jesus while I was at the bar chasing women or whatever else. I was actually saved and didnt even know it.

It works on people who need to need to feel special, do not know scripture and many other reasons.

 

[rogerg]

I guess I just can't follow the line of reasoning. Even before I came to Jesus while I was at the bar chasing women or whatever else. I was actually saved and didnt even know it.

No, people become saved at a particular point in time. They were always destined for salvation but when it actually transpires in someone's life is up to God. However, if elected, transpire, it must.

 

[Jackson129]

Take Saul (Paul) for an example. Before being saved, according to Paul himself, he was the chief sinner and did nothing
whatsoever to become saved except to be chosen by God for it. Afterwards, however, he changed dramatically and lived the life of a true Christian - at least as well as anyone in the flesh can

This is where I think alot of the confusion comes from. IMO elect are those chosen for a purpose to enact God's will on earth. Moses David Paul. The elect are a special believer. Apostle or prophet ect. The predestination or forknowledge thing just means God in his infinite wisdom knew who would believe before he ever created them because He knows everything.

 

[rogerg]

I guess I just can't follow the line of reasoning. Even before I came to Jesus while I was at the bar chasing women or whatever else. I was actually saved and didnt even know it.

Those saved have been justified by Christ's righteousness - what He achieved and how He achieved it and not by our righteousness

 

[Jackson129]

No, people become saved at a particular point in time. They were always destined for salvation but when it actually transpires in someone's life is up to God. However, if elected, transpire, it must.

But that has to mean then you were never in danger of dying and going to hell. You were always saved no matter what.

 

[rogerg]

This is where I think alot of the confusion comes from. IMO elect are those chosen for a purpose to enact God's will on earth. Moses David Paul. The elect are a special believer. Apostle or prophet ect. The predestination or forknowledge thing just means God in his infinite wisdom knew who would believe before he ever created them because He knows everything.

No, it means He chose them specifically for salvation, by which, they become saved and believe. It is not by God's knowledge of what He knew they would do but by His choice of them.

[Rom 8:29-31 KJV]
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?

 

[cv5]

I was actually wondering whether for over a week when you hadn't posted in this thread, whether or not you had finally come to your senses and decided to stop being the highly dogmatic person you have been,

But apparently not it's looks you've been recharging your hate cells, and now your back with your enormous gigantic prod stick.

It's just feels completely irrational to me, the way you and your crew on a daily bases just reject all the truths you do in favour of being dogmatic and reversing nice things into evil things, it's totally beyond me how you and your crew can have so little sense and feeling if your saved,

Been busy calculating the KE of a 1500kg mass at various velocities, and determining the forces and work due to accelerations and decelerations, appropriate gear ratios, duty cycles and safety factors, strength of materials, and various failure modes of the drivetrain.

So my focus has been elsewhere.

 

[rogerg]

But that has to mean then you were never in danger of dying and going to hell. You were always saved no matter what.

The elect were never in danger of going to Hell. God will not let them die until saved, but He can save them even in the womb.