Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Genez]

Calvinism where the Good News goes to be vanquished!!​

The contrived and false soteriology of TULIP

This god is so insecure look at all the manifold ways he obstructs and obscures:

1. hides the good news
2. makes the good news esoteric in nature which requires special, unique, individual enlightenment (gnostic)
3. makes people born blind to the Good News
4. makes people unable to hear the Good News
5. makes people with a non-existent will
6. makes people unable to exercise faith/belief, they can believe all manner of things but never ever the simple Gospel
7. makes people unable to receive the gift
8. makes people unable to reason, act, think, respond positively to his Good News
9. makes people OBSERVERS of events infallibly coming to pass.... and on and on.

So this god makes people disabled from birth by design, but it seems that this is still insufficient in his effort to block and obstruct, he adds in an extra insurance policy and hides the good news just in case!!

I would really like to hear them turn to a spouse, child, or grandchildren, smile and say....

“I hope you make it to heaven, but you might go to hell and there is nothing you can do about it because you cannot respond positively to the Good News unless God gives you a new heart."

Bad exegesis once again >>>>> the new heart comes after exercising faith to receive salvation, not before!!

The Good News of the Calvinists?

"You are a worthless, 100% piece of garbage."
"Nothing in you is redeemable."
"For you are absolutely, totally depraved."

Now?... That's something to die for on a Cross???

God, looking to save man, is like a homeless person on the street picking through garbage cans.
But absolutely nothing in the cans are edible!!!!!!
For totally depraved, means totally!

They just can not think it through to a final conclusion.
For, their dogma gets in the way.

Redligious people just love their dogma!

Sometimes you have to get this way....
So others who do see how stupid it is what they think, can know that they are not alone in how they see them.

One more time....

The Good News of the Calvinists?

"You are a worthless, 100% piece of garbage."
"Nothing in you is redeemable."
"For you are absolutely, totally depraved."

Now?...
That's something to die for on a Cross???

God, looking to save man, is like a homeless person on the street picking through garbage cans.
But absolutely nothing in the cans are edible!!!!!!
For totally depraved, means totally!

They just hide behind their martyr complex if they refuse to see what it is that they have been refusing to face.

 

[HeIsHere]

They just hide behind their martyr complex if they refuse to see what it is that they have been refusing to face.

Very interesting!! .... "martyr complex" there is a therapist who has done pretty good research on its appeal to narcissists, I guess that dove tails well with having a martyr complex too.

 

[cv5]

Calvinism where the Good News goes to be vanquished!!​

The contrived and false soteriology of TULIP

This god is so insecure look at all the manifold ways he obstructs and obscures:

1. hides the good news
2. makes the good news esoteric in nature which requires special, unique, individual enlightenment (gnostic)
3. makes people born blind to the Good News
4. makes people unable to hear the Good News
5. makes people with a non-existent will
6. makes people unable to exercise faith/belief, they can believe all manner of things but never ever the simple Gospel
7. makes people unable to receive the gift
8. makes people unable to reason, act, think, respond positively to his Good News
9. makes people OBSERVERS of events infallibly coming to pass.... and on and on.

So this god makes people disabled from birth by design, but it seems that this is still insufficient in his effort to block and obstruct, he adds in an extra insurance policy and hides the good news just in case!!

I would really like to hear them turn to a spouse, child, or grandchildren, smile and say....

“I hope you make it to heaven, but you might go to hell and there is nothing you can do about it because you cannot respond positively to the Good News unless God gives you a new heart."

Bad exegesis once again >>>>> the new heart comes after exercising faith to receive salvation, not before!!

"So this god makes people disabled from birth by design, but it seems that this is still insufficient in his effort to block and obstruct, he adds in an extra insurance policy and hides the good news just in case!!"

Agree that this is precisely what the super-determinists believe.
Since these dogmatic precepts do not concatenate with the Spirit of Grace and Truth, what then are we to conclude about those who willfully choose Calvinist dogma over sound Biblical doctrine?

 

[rogerg]

Very interesting!! .... "martyr complex" there is a therapist who has done pretty good research on its appeal to narcissists, I guess that dove tails well with having a martyr complex too.

Really? In which biblical verse(s) was that therapist's writings mentioned? Hmmm... I don't recall seeing it anywhere.
Interesting that you would trust non-spiritual writings to judge the spiritual.

 

[cv5]

Calvinism where the Good News goes to be vanquished!!​

The contrived and false soteriology of TULIP

This god is so insecure look at all the manifold ways he obstructs and obscures:

1. hides the good news
2. makes the good news esoteric in nature which requires special, unique, individual enlightenment (gnostic)
3. makes people born blind to the Good News
4. makes people unable to hear the Good News
5. makes people with a non-existent will
6. makes people unable to exercise faith/belief, they can believe all manner of things but never ever the simple Gospel
7. makes people unable to receive the gift
8. makes people unable to reason, act, think, respond positively to his Good News
9. makes people OBSERVERS of events infallibly coming to pass.... and on and on.

So this god makes people disabled from birth by design, but it seems that this is still insufficient in his effort to block and obstruct, he adds in an extra insurance policy and hides the good news just in case!!

I would really like to hear them turn to a spouse, child, or grandchildren, smile and say....

“I hope you make it to heaven, but you might go to hell and there is nothing you can do about it because you cannot respond positively to the Good News unless God gives you a new heart."

Bad exegesis once again >>>>> the new heart comes after exercising faith to receive salvation, not before!!

That list 1 thru 9 can be extrapolated from any number of @Magenta 's posts.
Actually you could easily glean a list of 20 gate-slammers if not more.

 

[Magenta]

Sound Bible doctrine is not built from the fantasies of free willers.

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." John 8 v 34 Not, only those who choose to sin or only atheists. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Romans 3 v 23 - all have sinned...

 

[cv5]

They just hide behind their martyr complex if they refuse to see what it is that they have been refusing to face.

Its quite a mixed bag of crazy that for sure. And a voluminous one.

 

[brightfame52]

For the natural man? What is foolish to them is how we can study about things like the Deity of Christ. The Rapture. The Millennium.
And the account of Adam and Eve. Etc....

The natural man is in a lost condition, so the Gospel is hid to him or her

 

[HeIsHere]

Since these dogmatic precepts do not concatenate with the Spirit of Grace and Truth, what then are we to conclude about those who willfully choose Calvinist dogma over sound Biblical doctrine?

Yes, I know what you mean.

 

[HeIsHere]

Really? In which biblical verse(s) was that therapist's writings mentioned? Hmmm... I don't recall seeing it anywhere.
Interesting that you would trust non-spiritual writings to judge the spiritual.

He is a Christian.

 

[Cameron143]

The Good News of the Calvinists?

"You are a worthless, 100% piece of garbage."
"Nothing in you is redeemable."
"For you are absolutely, totally depraved."

Now?... That's something to die for on a Cross???

God, looking to save man, is like a homeless person on the street picking through garbage cans.
But absolutely nothing in the cans are edible!!!!!!
For totally depraved, means totally!

They just can not think it through to a final conclusion.
For, their dogma gets in the way.

Redligious people just love their dogma!

Sometimes you have to get this way....
So others who do see how stupid it is what they think, can know that they are not alone in how they see them.

One more time....

The Good News of the Calvinists?

"You are a worthless, 100% piece of garbage."
"Nothing in you is redeemable."
"For you are absolutely, totally depraved."

Now?...
That's something to die for on a Cross???

God, looking to save man, is like a homeless person on the street picking through garbage cans.
But absolutely nothing in the cans are edible!!!!!!
For totally depraved, means totally!

They just hide behind their martyr complex if they refuse to see what it is that they have been refusing to face.

This is a typical rant conceived only by those who misrepresent others.

2 things:
...total depravity doesn't mean that an individual has nothing redeemable in them. It simply means every facet of man was affected in the fall.
...the image of God in man was marred and corrupted in the fall, but remains redeemable. No one believes the mass of unregenerate humanity is garbage, let alone 100% garbage.

 

[cv5]

Really? In which biblical verse(s) was that therapist's writings mentioned? Hmmm... I don't recall seeing it anywhere.
Interesting that you would trust non-spiritual writings to judge the spiritual.

There is all kinds of crazy noted in Scripture. Of every sort and description OT and New.

[Col 2:18 NKJV]
Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in [false] humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

[Col 2:23 NKJV]
These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, [false] humility, and neglect of the body, [but are] of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

[Jer 50:38 NKJV]
A drought [is] against her waters, and they will be dried up. For it [is] the land of carved images, And they are insane with [their] idols.

 

[rogerg]

He is a Christian.

Really? Was his research based solely upon scripture? Or other?

 

[cv5]

2 things:
...total depravity doesn't mean that an individual has nothing redeemable in them. It simply means every facet of man was affected in the fall.
...the image of God in man was marred and corrupted in the fall, but remains redeemable. No one believes the mass of unregenerate humanity is garbage, let alone 100% garbage.

Not much of a dodge.

For the Calvinist, this "total depravity natural man" business is simply the emergent phenomenon of something that occurred in eternity past, as they say that God decreed that all men should be born condemned (by creating them evil) expressly for the purpose of eternal destruction, also decreeing blindness and deafness to insure that outcome.

Which of course proves @HeIsHere 's earlier post.

https://christianchat.com/threads/can-we-really-exercise-free-will.218061/post-5643294

 

[brightfame52]

[2Co 3:16 KJV]
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

They shall turn to the lord after they are saved, then they believe Acts 11:21

And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed and turned unto the Lord. God must first turn us Jer 31:18


I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.

 

[Jordon]

Not much of a dodge.

For the Calvinist, this "total depravity natural man" business is simply the emergent phenomenon of something that occurred in eternity past, as they say that God decreed that all men should be born condemned (by creating them evil) expressly for the purpose of eternal destruction, also decreeing blindness and deafness to insure that outcome.

Which of course proves @HeIsHere 's earlier post.

https://christianchat.com/threads/can-we-really-exercise-free-will.218061/post-5643294

I was actually wondering whether for over a week when you hadn't posted in this thread, whether or not you had finally come to your senses and decided to stop being the highly dogmatic person you have been,

But apparently not it's looks you've been recharging your hate cells, and now your back with your enormous gigantic prod stick.

It's just feels completely irrational to me, the way you and your crew on a daily bases just reject all the truths you do in favour of being dogmatic and reversing nice things into evil things, it's totally beyond me how you and your crew can have so little sense and feeling if your saved,

 

[Cameron143]

Not much of a dodge.

For the Calvinist, this "total depravity natural man" business is simply the emergent phenomenon of something that occurred in eternity past, as they say that God decreed that all men should be born condemned (by creating them evil) expressly for the purpose of eternal destruction, also decreeing blindness and deafness to insure that outcome.

Which of course proves @HeIsHere 's earlier post.

https://christianchat.com/threads/can-we-really-exercise-free-will.218061/post-5643294

Her rant was full of presumption and misrepresentation as well.

Take up depravity with @Genez. At least he understands that man is helpless and hopeless apart from God.

 

[Genez]

word salad again from you,.

Either God can make a person believe or he can't.

Your big problem is that you think we have the problem.

Come back ten years here, and you'll still be arguing over the same things?

 

[Jordon]

Her rant was full of presumption and misrepresentation as well.

Take up depravity with @Genez. At least he understands that man is helpless and hopeless apart from God.

err I'm not sure that's a good idea to be honest cam, yesterday Mr genez reversed over at least 30 different nice things I said about God into evil.

I took your advice and I have been tolerant towards him, but it's made no difference, I have no choice but to do what God commands, which is to leave him to his own devices, he can not and will not accept the truth, regardless of how he sometimes comes across with his word, his smoke screen is pretty much evident, and I really can't be doing with feeling embarrassed and made to feel like nothing any more talking to him.

On a better note I do hope you have a nice weekend, and forget about this latest say of trash from these demi gods

 

[Genez]

It is amazing how many Scriptures these free willers have to contradict and deny in order to cling to their idol of self.

Hey! We are over here!

You keep looking into space, condemning free willers so loudly, that you can not hear what it is that they are saying.
And, keep arguing with your imaginary free willer, while pointing your finger at someone who does not agree with your concept of a free willer.

Fine. You are caught up in your own making of a bigotry loop that you keep playing over and over in your head like it is rap music.
And, you have found some like-minded ones who bring you sandwiches and coffee to keep you company.

But it is all going to come to an end.
When you see His eyes, you will know what I mean.

I will, too.