Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Blain]

Is it your spirit that lives forever or the flesh body? What lives forever is what needs to be Saved.

Niether it is the soul that is eternal there is a difference between spirit and soul

 

[lrs68]

Niether it is the soul that is eternal there is a difference between spirit and soul

Ahhh, yes, I feel like I had a dislexic moment because I was thinking soul and why I quoted Jesus about fearing Who can kill the soul.

But yes, just place soul in my posts. That is what I am saying.

What does the Bible liken to the soul (part of our anatomy) and would be where the Holy Ghost dwells at?

 

[Cameron143]

The reason asked is because of 2 Tim 1:9-10 which speaks of saved and called as happening in the past [before time began]. Or, is it speaking of Election?

9 who has [saved us] and [called us] with a holy calling, not according to our works, but [according to His own purpose and grace] which was [given to us in Christ Jesus before time began], 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

It's both. One's election insures the salvation and calling.

 

[Magenta]

What lives forever is what needs to be Saved.

God alone dwells in immortality. (Timothy 6:16)

 

[Cameron143]

Yes but it is never the flesh always the spirit so the idea of Natural Man being Saved isn't Biblical because only the spirit can be Saved.

When we die the flesh decomposes where the spirit lives forever.

The flesh doesn't refer to our actual flesh. The flesh refers to a human centered, worldly perspective driven by sin, selfishness, and opposition to God. The natural man walks always according to the flesh.

 

[Blain]

Ahhh, yes, I feel like I had a dislexic moment because I was thinking soul and why I quoted Jesus about fearing Who can kill the soul.

But yes, just place soul in my posts. That is what I am saying.

What does the Bible liken to the soul (part of our anatomy) and would be where the Holy Ghost dwells at?

Well technically the bible is not all that clear where the spirit resides inside a person but it isn't in the soul itself I know that because a soul is not a spirit and the holy spirit is not a soul he is a spirit there does seem to be a place inside a person where the spirit resides but the soul? no I don't think so

 

[Magenta]

The flesh doesn't refer to our actual flesh. The flesh refers to a human centered, worldly perspective
driven by sin, selfishness, and opposition to God. The natural man walks always according to the flesh.

Serving the law of sin, bringing forth fruit unto death. This is why free will of the natural man is a massive fail.

The natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God, and is a lover of darkness. REFUSES to come into the light.

Just a plethora of Scriptures that get denied and contradicted by the free will crowd.

 

[lrs68]

The flesh doesn't refer to our actual flesh. The flesh refers to a human centered, worldly perspective driven by sin, selfishness, and opposition to God. The natural man walks always according to the flesh.

All that you said is true but the discussion was about which is being Saved and the flesh isn't what's being Saved.

 

[lrs68]

Well technically the bible is not all that clear where the spirit resides inside a person but it isn't in the soul itself I know that because a soul is not a spirit and the holy spirit is not a soul he is a spirit there does seem to be a place inside a person where the spirit resides but the soul? no I don't think so

Some Scholars and Theologians believe the soul and the heart are connected or sometimes referenced as one and the same. Does that sound familiar?

 

[Magenta]

With the heart one believes.

 

[YWPMI]

Don’t have one.

me neither. YHWH loves ALL... you don't have to be of one particular group ...
Of A Clique God gave me this many years ago. i finally posted it up on my website. Enjoy!

 

[Blain]

Some Scholars and Theologians believe the soul and the heart are connected or sometimes referenced as one and the same. Does that sound familiar?

Why would I care what some thelogian scholar says about it? what does the bible say is what I want to know.

I have heard that the soul resides in the mind but there is little to no evidence to support that.

A soul does have a conscious it has thoughts but a spirit is not the same thing it has more to do with the feelings of a person such as a broken spirit

I don't know if a soul has the ability to recieve the things of God because any time a soul is mentioned in scripture it speaks of the inner man the real you now the spirit on the other hand I have never even seen that being spoken of in a person in scripture at least not in the way you describe it

 

[lrs68]

Why would I care what some thelogian scholar says about it? what does the bible say is what I want to know.

I have heard that the soul resides in the mind but there is little to no evidence to support that.

A soul does have a conscious it has thoughts but a spirit is not the same thing it has more to do with the feelings of a person such as a broken spirit

I don't know if a soul has the ability to recieve the things of God because any time a soul is mentioned in scripture it speaks of the inner man the real you now the spirit on the other hand I have never even seen that being spoken of in a person in scripture at least not in the way you describe it

It's up to you if you care but the Scholars and Theologians presented Scripture that shows the connection. I just was fishing to see if you have discovered those verses or not.

 

[Blain]

It's up to you if you care but the Scholars and Theologians presented Scripture that shows the connection. I just was fishing to see if you have discovered those verses or not.

Well considering I don't follow Thelogian scholars I would not know what verses you speak of, I do my own personal study to find the truth for myself if the bible says something that is what I believe the truth is found in his word not from scholars

So again what does the bible say about it?

 

[sawdust]

I never said God can't make someone to understand. I say just the opposite. When an individual does understand, it is so by the activity of God. And I'm the one who introduced Isaiah 55:11 into the discussion. I believe salvation is totally and fully dependent upon God's purpose in sending forth His word. It is those who believe in freewill that say otherwise.

But that is where you constantly ignore what we say about our will and it's place in God's design. The fact remains, a question you never did answer btw, is that you believe we make a free will decision to trust God's word is true just as much as we do. God does not make the decision for us.

I have repeatedly shown how believing something does not cause it to happen but it is ignored so you and others can continue to argue against something none of us have said.

Salvation is by God's hand alone, always has been, always will be.

 

[Magenta]

I never said God can't make someone to understand. I say just the opposite. When an individual
does understand, it is so by the activity of God. And I'm the one who introduced Isaiah 55:11
into the discussion. I believe salvation is totally and fully dependent upon God's purpose
in sending forth His word. It is those who believe in freewill that say otherwise.

Isaiah 55 v 10-11 Just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."

2nd request ... please provide the post submitted wherein anyone claimed that "mothers loving and caring for their children" is "evil" ... silence on your part is indicative that what you claim was stated never was stated.

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[reneweddaybyday]

I'll leave you to work it out and suit yourself, but here's a clue the sarcastic free will poster was painting the picture in a sarcastic way, ... @reneweddaybyday

where's the post, Jordon? claims are being made and I'd like to read the post ... thanks!

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[reneweddaybyday]

Jesus was in the spiritual/godly line of Eve, not Adam!

Where is Eve mentioned in the genealogies of the Lord Jesus Christ shown in Matt 1 and/or Luke 3?

And Jesus has no "genealogical line"! Jesus had physical descendants, did He?

Adam is shown in the genealogy in Luke 3:38 ... and btw ... I never stated "Jesus had physical descendants" ... that's just you claiming I said something I never said.

Jesus is listed in Luke's genealogy to show that Adam was created by the Son of God! If Adam were of the godly seed in Gen 3:15, then Jesus would have been listed as a Adam's descendant.

Since, as you claim, Eve is "of the godly seed in Gen 3:15" it is interesting that Eve is not mentioned ... yet Adam is ...

Moreover, Adam is listed as "descending" from his Creator because in the beginning he was created "very good".

Adam is shown to be the son of God (Luke 3:38).

And how so very convenient for you to appeal to God's skin coverings for both our parents! So, with the Fall you do subscribe to an efficacious atonement just in the same way Reformed folks subscribe to the efficacy of the atoning work of Christ on the Cross. But the problem with your appeal is that there is ZERO biblical evidence that Adam ever received those skin coverings by faith and repented of his sins, whereas with Eve there is such evidence.

The offering of God was sufficient to remit the sins of both Adam and Eve (without shedding of blood is no remission) ... the coats of skin covered the shame of Adam and Eve ... neither Adam nor Eve rejected the coats ... the coats represent garments of salvation.

you and I are not in agreement concerning this point, Rufus ... there is no further need to argue ...

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[reneweddaybyday]

To get around this some of them then claim the gospel is not a spiritual matter nor a deep thing of God.

No one has claimed that "the gospel is not a spiritual matter", Magenta.


concerning the "deep thing of God" ... what has been stated is that 1 Corinthians 2:10 (the deep things of God) as well as 1 Corinthians 2:14 relate to the mystery of God, the hidden wisdom spoken of in 1 Corinthians 2:7.

This mystery of God is separate and distinct from the gospel of Christ.

According to Romans 16:25-26, this mystery of God was kept secret since the world began until God revealed to Paul what He had hidden:

Romans 16:25-26 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith


According to Ephesians 3:2-5, this mystery of God was not made known unto the sons of men until God revealed it to Paul:

Ephesians 3:2-5 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit


According to Colossians 1:25-26, this mystery of God was hid from ages and from generations until God revealed it to Paul:

Colossians 1:25-26 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints


The gospel was never hid by God ... God revealed to His prophets and God's prophets faithfully preached to others. What was hid by God was the mystery, the hidden wisdom.

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