Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Die in their sins because they will be resurrected in their fallen bodies with a sin nature.

But, not to be judged for their sins.

Instead of sins?
Unbelievers will be judged according to their works, just before being thrown into the Lake of Fire!


I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their
works by what was written in the books. Revelation 20:12​

Their works of righteousness will be shown to be filthy rags! Isaiah 64:6

But, one work will be searched for in the books and not found.
One work that would have indicated that they became saved.

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28-29

We are nor saved by works (plurality).

But, we are saved by ONE WORK!

“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29​

It is amazing what happens when what we once thought surely must be the truth.
When we find out, it is not what the Word actually teaches!

The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29​

If you find yourself believing in Jesus Christ?
That is God's seal to let us know we are saved!

grace and peace ..........

To die in one's sins is to die in Adam! Just like he wasn't forgiven as the Serpent's type, and his spiritual father will never be forgiven, neither will any of Adam's progeny.
 
Do you deny that Jesus is God? I did not assume you have not read the Bible, that is an assumption you made because
I suggested you read it to gain more clarity, specifically to read it without philosophical presuppositions.


Jesus was fully human, yes, and fully God. Was Jesus' will captive to the will of the devil as humans are?

Was He blinded as the whole world is?

Was He opposed to the Spiritual things of God as the natural man is???

Says the woman dressed in pagan garb, having a dragon tattoo on her arm, as she is whispering to a unicorn?

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Ok I can see that line of reasoning. So does that mean the "whole world" in that John verse was this world or Jesus's kingdom? Because if they are the same then it would mean the "whole world" is our world John is talking about.
World is kosmos which has several definitions. People generally choose the definition that aligns with their beliefs.
 
Jesus is God but separate from God in that unlike God Jesus is fully human.

I will ask again, Was Jesus free to refuse the cross?

As a man, yes. As God, no! Hope you enjoy profound paradoxes. After all, scripture is chock full of those.
 
Jesus is God but separate from God in that unlike God Jesus is fully human.

I will ask again, Was Jesus free to refuse the cross?
He submitted His will to the Father's. He prayed mightily about it. "Not My will but Thine be done."

He knew His purpose, and fulfilled it.

Do you think mortal humans in their natural state can submit to God?

Scripture says no. What say you?

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The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 v 6-8 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2 v 13-14
 
yep we spoke of the dual complexity,

Adam and eve when created had dual complexity, they had the fathers will in them to believe and a choice to accept, by freedom of thought , (not free will)

They chose wrongly, and afterwards mans own choice became corrupted and free will was then born in man, it became the law of sin.
I believe Adam knew what he was doing.
 
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Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
 
Is it that kingdom in you that makes you to not believe in the Rapture of the Church?

And that we have been living in the Millennium for the last two thousand years?
Two thousand years?
(Millennium means one thousand)
The word millennium isn't in the Bible. The thousand years is simply a large number. God owns the cattle on a thousand hills says scripture. Does that mean God only owns a thousand hills?
 
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Because sin came into existence in, and is fundamental to, this world. There will be no sin in the world to come because through Christ's offering made in this world, all who will inhabit that world were made sinless, neither will sin exist within that world, as it is within this world because everything of this world that is not covered by Christ, including the world itself, is of sin.

I would think that it would have to mean the sins of this world then. Because that is where they have to be cleansed in order to make it to the next. Thats just me anyways. To me the Bible was written for the church in the church age. What ever happens in the next world is a result of your response to the gospel in this world. I just dont get why the Bible would be written to all the future saints existing in heaven. Thats like writing a book to tell people how to get to heaven who are already in heaven. It jist dont make sence in my head is all.
 
The word millennium isn't in the Bible. The thousand years is simply a large number. God owns
the cattle on a thousand hills says scripture. Does that mean God only owns a thousand hills?
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Psalm 24 verses 1-2 ~ The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.
 
He submitted His will to the Father's. He prayed mightily about it. "Not My will but Thine be done."

He knew His purpose, and fulfilled it.

Do you think mortal humans in their natural state can submit to God?

Scripture says no. What say you?

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Choosing to do the will of the father does not mean he wasn't free to refuse the cross. For someone who was eager to point out the conflation of others you employ it quite literally yourself.

No but we also don't lose free will once we submit to God. If we are free to say no the we can't be acting out of love.
The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 v 6-8 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2 v 13-14
 
Choosing to do the will of the father does not mean he wasn't free to refuse the cross. For someone who was eager to point out the conflation of others you employ it quite literally yourself.

No but we also don't lose free will once we submit to God. If we are free to say no the we can't be acting out of love.
I did not say He was not free to refuse the cross. Where are you getting this :poop:???

You are eager to prove something wrong based on your imagination alone.

Therefore you conflate your erroneous imagination with reality. Yikes!
 
As a man, yes. As God, no! Hope you enjoy profound paradoxes. After all, scripture is chock full of those.

As a man is all that matters. He was free to choose otherwise the agony in the garden was just theater.
 
... John wrote that to the CHURCH!

There are different speakers/writers involved in all three of those posts of mine that I cited earlier: that I wrote: John, Jesus and Paul. The term "world" in those three different passages cannot possibly be understood logically as being used in the distributive sense. All the speakers/writers would have contradicted themselves in the very context of those passages. This is why none of you pathetic empty suits even dared to tackle one of those posts.
 
As a man is all that matters. He was free to choose otherwise the agony in the garden was just theater.

Really? So, now you're going to DIVIDE the nature of Christ! Christ was only fully divine part time...or when YOU say He was divine?
 
I did not say He was not free to refuse the cross. Where are you getting this :poop:???

Wow you're getting agitated. I can't talk with people who use their potty mouth language.

So if Jesus was free to refuse the cross so are we free to do his will it not. Some times we choose the former and sometimes we choose the latter.