Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Sorry I don't follow your question. Maybe I misunderstand but it seems like you are asking several different things at the same time.
Your Scripture twisting just excluded them from that alleged world.
Not only your sins? But the whole world?
They will be in that same world you spoke of.
What inane souls that come here.
You said the world from the John verse quoted was the final world or next world. So I am asking why you think it is that world in view. Since Jesus was sent into this world and this age. Why would this world not be the one in view in that verse.
Jesus was fully God and fully man. I thank Him for rescuing me from the dominion of darkness. Do you
think the natural man possesses the attributes of Jesus? Was Jesus a child of wrath in your view?
Was He deserving of death? I believe He laid down His life willingly. How about you?
With all due respect that doesn't really address what I said. Natural man possess the human attributes of Jesus as Jesus was fully human. The question I asked and will ask again is did Jesus have free will or was it just choices. Btw I'm still not clear as to your distinction between the two. No doubt a consequence of my limitations.
"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
God is not free to sin. Does that answer your question?
I went into a lot of Scriptures you don't understand. I suggest you read the Bible for more clarity.
Try to read it without philosophical presuppositions clouding your view.
The free will camp assumes, with no supporting text and contrary to many verses that evidence the opposite, that the man of flesh is free to choose, and will believe, that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, and to which he is inherently opposed with his uncircumcised heart of stone. There is simply no getting around the fact that this is the core of their belief, and it flies in the face of what Scripture actually teaches about the natural man who is a slave to sin and lover of darkness refusing to come into the light, blinded to truth and under the power and influence of Satan: he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death, not life. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, his incurably wicked heart cannot be changed. He hates God, rejects the light, and hears the gospel message as foolishness. Praise the Lord if He has set you free!
Sorry. I hate to interrupt it I'm brand new and not familiar with the term, "FWer". What is that? Thank you.
Jesus' kingdom in not OF this world, but it exists IN this world. The kingdom is in you.
Ok I can see that line of reasoning. So does that mean the "whole world" in that John verse was this world or Jesus's kingdom? Because if they are the same then it would mean the "whole world" is our world John is talking about.
What's insane is all you professing Christians, who subscribe to FWT, could not bring yourselves to freely confess what should have been the only and obvious Christian answer to my question. Your SILENCE spoke volumes about the state of your heart! LONG live EVIL in the world -- as long as it protects the sanctity of "freewill".Your silence also speaks much to the moral bankruptcy of FWT.
Why do you keep making me feel like I am Donald Trump?
And, you are the fake news media?
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First I asked about Jesus not God. Second, free will/choice is not related only to sin. let me ask more specifically, was Jesus free to refuse the cross?
Now you're the one conflating ideas. You're assuming I havent read or understand scripture simply because I ask questions or more likely b cause I don't agree with you. This is my favorite part.
Because sin came into existence in, and is fundamental to, this world. There will be no sin in the world to come because through Christ's offering made in this world, all who will inhabit that world were made sinless, neither will sin exist within that world, as it is within this world because everything of this world that is not covered by Christ, including the world itself, is of sin.
Trying to figure out the differnt reactions. The bar comes up but is empty. So you have to click out of memory and hope you get the right one.
Do you deny that Jesus is God? I did not assume you have not read the Bible, that is an assumption you made because
I suggested you read it to gain more clarity, specifically to read it without philosophical presuppositions.
Jesus was fully human, yes, and fully God. Was Jesus' will captive to the will of the devil as mortal humans are?
Was He blinded as the whole world is?
Was He opposed to the Spiritual things of God as the natural man is???
Is it that kingdom in you that makes you to not believe in the Rapture of the Church?
And that we have been living in the Millennium for the last two thousand years?
Two thousand years?
(Millennium means one thousand)
Jesus is God but separate from God in that unlike God Jesus is fully human.
I will ask again, Was Jesus free to refuse the cross?