Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Yeah, it matters because God had no such covenant relationship with any other nation.

In the wilderness, the vast majority of the Jews were apostates, which is why they were forbidden to enter the Promised Land.

that's not completely correct they where left because they disobeyed,

And it also proves he had a relationship with them.

Also they where judged by his inherent will in them. He had strengthened and willed there hearts with healthy fear, instead they disobeyed out of there's own will.

And your will right now is limiting God and just going in one direction.

Sorry to have to inform but it's because of people like you, the true good calvies have a bad name

 

[Jordon]

Have a nice life in your bubble.

Your comment is one that comes from inner rebellion

 

[Rufus]

Your comment is one that comes from inner rebellion

What part of your OWN "bye, Rufus", don't you get!? Is everything with you "yes" and "no"?

 

[Genez]

God willed us into existence! How can we fully understand this? It would be like asking [How far away is infinity?]

Has God shown us a way that He can do something and not know how it would turn out when doing it?
I speak of the Trinity when I mention God.

Was Jesus as a man, omniscient?

 

[Jordon]

What part of your OWN "bye, Rufus", don't you get!? Is everything with you "yes" and "no"?

saying bye is not the same as being blatantly rude.

And if I want to say yes or no I will do.

Which includes not agreeing with your comments, and your ego

Which to be honest I've had this issue with you since I very first started speaking to you when you wrote me of as being less than you because you had me down as a reformed person.

No you started it,

Bye

 

[Genez]

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[reneweddaybyday]

In the wilderness, the vast majority of the Jews were apostates, which is why they were forbidden to enter the Promised Land.

Not entering the promised land was chastening by the Lord for their failure to enter at the word of the 2 witnesses. That they did not enter the promised land does not mean all were unbelievers.

Although God allowed Moses to see the promised land before he passed, Moses did not enter in.

Neither did Aaron or Miriam enter the promised land.

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[reneweddaybyday]

Some of the FWers here believe God is not required in coming to faith.

from what I've read in the pages of this thread, it appears (to me) that all have acknowledged that God reaches out to mankind first.

btw ... hope/pray your procedure went well.

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[Genez]

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

God at times must accommodate man, by relating to man in terms that man will understand, knowing it will get desired results.

 

[Genez]

I think that you may be underestimating God's control of events.
All men are corrupt and evil to some degree. But, God is in control of their actions. He can intervene to prevent it, which is a blessing, or step away and allow it to continue.
Either way, it is His will!

How is fallen man with all his depravity working towards God's glory?

 

[Rufus]

saying bye is not the same as being blatantly rude.

And if I want to say yes or no I will do.

Which includes not agreeing with your comments, and your ego

Which to be honest I've had this issue with you since I very first started speaking to you when you wrote me of as being less than you because you had me down as a reformed person.

No you started it,

Bye

Yes OR no would be a huge improvement for you over your "yes" AND "no", e.g. bye and here I am back at ya again because I rescinded my "bye" only so I can issue another bogus, insincere "bye". You have more in common with Genez than you imagine, for like you he has put me on and off iggy probably dozens of times already.

 

[Jordon]

Yes OR no would be a huge improvement for you over your "yes" AND "no", e.g. bye and here I am back at ya again because I rescinded my "bye" only so I can issue another bogus, insincere "bye". You have more in common with Genez than you imagine, for like you he has put me on and off iggy probably dozens of times already.

I'm my own person. I would not want to be you or genez

Your both highly rude.

You both have bad manners and a lack of respect.

You both write stuff that antagonises people, and the way in which you totally hated Adam was well and truly disgraceful.

The Bible teaches any man could of been Adam, and you well and truly hated him in a way I have never seen somebody hated ever, not very Christian at all I have to say

You sir should examine yourself before you try to examine me

 

[Rufus]

Not entering the promised land was chastening by the Lord for their failure to enter at the word of the 2 witnesses. That they did not enter the promised land does not mean all were unbelievers.

Although God allowed Moses to see the promised land before he passed, Moses did not enter in.

Neither did Aaron or Miriam enter the promised land.

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But the difference between Israel and Moses & Aaron is that God explains that He was merely punishing them for their disobedience. Also, God does speak of Moses in flattering terms, e.g. his humility among the sons of men was matchless.

Also, you might want to read some Jewish history in Psalm 78 -- not a very flattering commentary on Israel.

But it gets even worse for the Israelites according to what the writer of Hebrews wrote: They were forbidden to enter the Land ultimately due to their unbelief (Heb 3:19) -- a condition that is fatal to a soul!

 

[Rufus]

I'm my own person. I would not want to be you or genez

Your both highly rude.

You both have bad manners and a lack of respect.

You both write stuff that antagonises people, and the way in which you totally hated Adam was well and truly disgraceful.

The Bible teaches any man could of been Adam, and you well and truly hated him in a way I have never seen somebody hated ever, not very Christian at all I have to say

You sir should examine yourself before you try to examine me

You forgot something at the end of your post: "Bye, Rufus". But I do hope that you feel better after venting your drivel.

 

[BillyBob]

How is fallen man with all his depravity working towards God's glory?

Fallen man may not believe that he is working toward God's glory, but his failures to cast God aside do in fact glorify God. Case in point Pharaoh!

 

[Rufus]

Fallen man may not believe that he is working toward God's glory, but his failures to cast God aside do in fact glorify God. Case in point Pharaoh!

FWers have a really difficult time grasping the fact that God will be glorified by both saints and sinners: The former for the unspeakable, incomprehensible gift of God's Love for the elect that Christ demonstrated at the Cross by his efficacious atonement for them, and the latter for his perfect Justice that was also demonstrated at the Cross when Jesus bore his Father's wrath for the sins of His people. FWers seem to think that love and justice are opposing attributes of God when in fact they are complimentary. Even the wrath of man shall praise God (Ps 76:10).

 

[Jordon]

You forgot something at the end of your post: "Bye, Rufus". But I do hope that you feel better after venting your drivel.

you mean I'm a sucker for drooling of your slobber

 

[reneweddaybyday]

But the difference between Israel and Moses & Aaron is that God explains that He was merely punishing them for their disobedience. Also, God does speak of Moses in flattering terms, e.g. his humility among the sons of men was matchless.

Also, you might want to read some Jewish history in Psalm 78 -- not a very flattering commentary on Israel.

But it gets even worse for the Israelites according to what the writer of Hebrews wrote: They were forbidden to enter the Land ultimately due to their unbelief (Heb 3:19) -- a condition that is fatal to a soul!

is it your claim that Moses was the only believer from the generation which was not allowed to go into the promised land? ... not one single person, other than Moses, had faith? ... is that what you believe, Rufus?

You have no idea who came to faith in the wilderness and who did not come to faith in the wilderness ... only God knows.

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[reneweddaybyday]

you mean I'm a sucker for drooling of your slobber

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

at the end of the day, test everything ... hold onto the good ... everything else? ... cast to God.


edited to add ...

1 Peter 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

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[Jordon]

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1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

at the end of the day, test everything ... hold onto the good ... everything else? ... cast to God.


edited to add ...

1 Peter 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

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at least 600.000 at least entered the promised land after 40 years of discipline and at least 600.000 never, somewhere close to them figures

I may be out can't remember the exact numbers, but them being left in the wilderness was the physical extrusion anyhow.

But it does say they where left to die.

But the point was God still had a relationship with the ones he left in the wilderness, which was my point.

Which Rufus will not even acknowledge,

It's just like the 1000s of other post of mine that get disagreed with lol.

Just another one to the collection