Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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It literally says, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." That is God speaking.
you know for some reason I missed that part the whole before part but yes you are correct it says before in there so he clearly knew us beforehand
 
God willed us into existence! How can we fully understand this? It would be like asking [How far away is infinity?]
 
So our suffering then is it also a part of the fathers will?
The book of Job, the book of Habakkak, the experience of Asaph in Psalm 73, the experience of Paul and the thorn in the flesh, Hebrews 12 and the experience of discipline are a few places off the top of my head that suggest this is so.
 
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you know for some reason I missed that part the whole before part but yes
you are correct it says before in there so he clearly knew us beforehand
People will subtly change a little here and a little there... even changing just one verse gives such
a different understanding. Then they read in their presuppositions and assumptions and before
you know it what they believe and what the Bible says are two completely different things.
But they will tell you you are wrong for believing what the Bible says.


I notice you change my font colour to lighter.
Is that because you are in dark mode for your eyes?
 
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My comments in bold...

One of the core beliefs of Christianity is the living hope that God knows your whole life past present and future based on many scriptures, here just one. It's no wonder you write the things you do I prefer to agree with scripture and what it actually states, not what Christian believes.

There's plenty more but it's upto you where you go from here See my earlier post

Psalm 139:1-4

Psalm 139
1 You have searched me, Lord,
and you know me.
2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.
4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.


Before a word is spoken he already knows that what your going to say . The moment you think a thought, God knows it, before it is even spoken.

Going back further he knows from a afar

Means he forknew you to and your whole life. Your private interpretation

Paul is another key verse, God knew the day he would be filled with the holy spirit from his mother's womb. From afar

If you take away God knowing your whole life, you take a way a living hope of Christianity. Nope, just your opinions

I hope this really strikes home to you. 🙂
How can God lay every sin upon Jesus if He isn't aware of every sin?
 
Out of all the Christians i know personally, your the only one doesn't believe this.

I won't waste anymore time with you.

Bye

Personally? All two of you?

God is merciful....
For you won't waste time with him?

Because, he is not willing to waste time? ;)
 
It's worth pursuing the extent to which God is involved in the affairs of men.

1. In creating an individual...what is the extent of God's knowledge of the individual?
2. In creating the boundaries of an individual...what is the extent of God's knowledge of the individual?
3. In upholding all things by the word of His power, what is the extent of God's knowledge?
This would make a most interesting topic! I'm not sure anyone would have a better understand due to such a topic, but it would certainly be interesting to hear others thoughts.
 
you know for some reason I missed that part the whole before part but yes you are correct it says before in there so he clearly knew us beforehand


God already knows all those who will be alive in the Tribulation.
They are not alive yet.
That is why we can read the book of Revelation.

He is omniscient.

When we stop being stunned about realizing this attribute of God?
We can relax with our life and stop spinning when trying to picture ourselves as if we had the same attribute.

It's fun when that happens.
 
I prefer to agree with scripture and what it actually states, not what Christian believes.
Well that was just proven false. You also do not believe Mary conceived,
when she was told by Gabriel that she would, as per God's plan.


I'm sure there are others...
 
How involved is God in the affairs of man?

Apparently not very much. I think most of the FWers here secretly and quitely tilt decidedly towards deism. God is just a passive spectator of his universe, for the most part, because He has to give reign to all this "freewill" creatures.
 
No you stated God must be liar if he saying he changed the event,

Your implying he doesn't know the outcome of every event.

Your limiting God


He knows every name that is written in the lambs book of life

He knows every new being that will be born.

He knows there whole life before there born

It's called for-knowing

And what he already knows comes into your existence here and now.

Only God can change your future

He knows your whole life without interfering in it.

Interfering to the point that He makes you desire what you end up desiring to do.

Then, He knows your whole life as when He influences it.
 
I'm not sure where and why you asked this question. It doesn't really have much to do with what I stated.

I asked the question because it's a biblically-based subject. Apparently, you're totally unaware of this fact.
 
People will subtly change a little here and a little there... even changing just one verse gives such
a different understanding. Then they read in their presuppositions and assumptions and before
you know it what they believe and what the Bible says are two completely different things.
But they will tell you you are wrong for believing what the Bible says.


I notice you change my font colour to lighter.
Is that because you are in dark mode for your eyes?
Yes I am in dark mode for my eyes it is the only way I am able to see anything the white background just hurts my eyes to much.

And yeah subtle changes can make scripture say something completely different the before part if it was removed could make it say something different as if he didn'ty know us beforehand
 
Did God state that he was going to overthrow them in forty days? Yes, that's what he said.
Did God overthrow them in forty days? No.
Did God lie? No
Did God change his mind? Yes
Why did God change his mind? When faced with the truth of God's word, Nineveh repented and cried out to God. It was their only hope.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

If you say that God knew beforehand that Nineveh would repent and in turn, he will not destroy them, then that makes God a liar. God is not a liar. God simply changed his mind based upon their response to his word.
God did not change his mind.

He simply presented Himself as one who will not fail, to get them to change their mind.
 
If you were legitimate?
I might have.

But, since I am the things you said I am?

I figured. Since you are the script writer?
I should stay in character and be the way you accused me of being.

I would not want to make you into a liar now. Would I?

Convince one of your beloved "expert bible scholars" to come over here and answer my question; then I'll show you how legitimate I am.
 
He knows your whole life without interfering in it.

Interfering to the point that He makes you desire what you end up desiring to do.

Then, He knows your whole life as when He influences it.
Incorrect he pricks every person's conscience

And he decides who are his

And it's you who are confused

1 you can't repent

2 you call sin not evil

3. You call people names for no good reason

4. You think your a teacher and your a terrible one.

5 your full of lies.
 
I asked the question because it's a biblically-based subject. Apparently, you're totally unaware of this fact.

So, to change the direction of a narrative, one can simply ask a question based upon any biblically based subject that is unrelated to what was being covered?

Sleight of hand is a technique...
Conceived to destroy another's sense of direction.
 
All outcomes of mans sinful actions have consequences, and God for knew them all.

Which means he never allowed them neither does it mean he decreed them.

What it means is he decreed an authoritative will to determine the outcome of every single man's wrong of right doing

And he predestined everyman with his will to everyman, because he for-knew everyman, which means you are now under his predetermined will, he set in place long before you ever had any knowledge of his will.

Which also means he predestined his will to take place in your life long before you had knowledge, which his will is now inherent in you right now and determines your outcomes

Your statement of Calvin is false Calvin taught to be obedient to the father, and all of Calvin's affiliated people of today in the proper channels teach humans are responsible for sin as is enemy, And God is holy and blameless,

Fixed it for you

Not according to Mat 7:23 did He "for-knew everyman".