Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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God was more angry with Jonah one of his called for being angry with God for showing the people you mention compassion.

Johna delivered Gods word to there hearts

I take it you understand that.

Its the same as Gods word being delivered by one man Gideon making 10000 men tremble with fear

That's when the people who Johna delivered his message repented.

All tho you probably have that down to just being an act of there own free will.

Well like I told you his will from the begining is inherent in everyone, and even in you right now.

I said it yesterday if a person can choose to sin out of there own free will, dont you think that's telling you there free will lives in the flesh

But yet for some reason that same free will can choose to be saved. Nope enabling grace comes first, such free will has no value to God it lives in the flesh.

One word for you

Listen.

1. Jonah preached the message to Nineveh given to him by God, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."
2. The people of Nineveh believe God, repented, and cried out to God.
3. Verse 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

God was going to overthrow them in forty days. That's what he said. Nineveh repented. God did not overthrow them as he stated.
 
1. Jonah preached the message to Nineveh given to him by God, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."
2. The people of Nineveh believe God, repented, and cried out to God.
3. Verse 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

God was going to overthrow them in forty days. That's what he said. Nineveh repented. God did not overthrow them as he stated.
God did not overthrow them as he did not destroy there city
what's your point ?

God changed his mind ?

Which also highlight he foreknows people.

I think your stating that because God changed his mind it means all things are not decreed.

But really thats not what is decree is about.

His decree is to for-know everyone to also give him the chance to change his mind.

Your basically looking at it as if God doesn't know what's going to happen because he changed his mind , when he does know
 
God did not overthrow them as he did not destroy there city
what's your point ?

God changed his mind ?

Which also highlight he foreknows people.

I think your stating that because God changed his mind it means all things are not decreed.

But really thats not what is decree is about.

His decree is to for-know everyone to also give him the chance to change his mind.

Your basically looking at it as if God doesn't know what's going to happen because he changed his mind , when he does know

Did God state that he was going to overthrow them in forty days? Yes, that's what he said.
Did God overthrow them in forty days? No.
Did God lie? No
Did God change his mind? Yes
Why did God change his mind? When faced with the truth of God's word, Nineveh repented and cried out to God. It was their only hope.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

If you say that God knew beforehand that Nineveh would repent and in turn, he will not destroy them, then that makes God a liar. God is not a liar. God simply changed his mind based upon their response to his word.
 
Did God state that he was going to overthrow them in forty days? Yes, that's what he said.
Did God overthrow them in forty days? No.
Did God lie? No
Did God change his mind? Yes
Why did God change his mind? When faced with the truth of God's word, Nineveh repented and cried out to God. It was their only hope.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

If you say that God knew beforehand that Nineveh would repent and in turn, he will not destroy them, then that makes God a liar. God is not a liar. God simply changed his mind based upon their response to his word.
No it doesn't make God a liar it's makes God a liar in your eyes not mine.

his for-knowing of knowing every event is coming into the existing at time of Johna, or any other time including yours.

Just because he not saying he knows the outcome doesn't means he doesn't.

So what you should be looking at is God knew if they didn't repent he would have destroyed there city in fourty days.

As only God can change your future and the future.

Only God can change the future of any outcome.
 
So what you should be looking at is God knew if they didn't repent he would have destroyed there city in fourty days.

Read Jonah 3 again. God's message was simple: "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." It's a simple 8-word sermon. There is no "if" in the message. Don't change God's word to fit a certain theology. Change your theology to fit God's word.
 
Your friend keeps bringing up irrelevant facts about John Calvin even after being repeatedly told the commenter isn't a Calvinist. That's strawman and poisoning the well fallacies. Perhaps your friend should look those up.

How can you prove the commentator isint actually a calvinist? Misrepresentation goes both ways. Second how do you assume my friend is the one who keeps bringing it up? But the most important thing is in a poisoning the well fallacie the calling of one a Calvinist has to come before the argument happens not after. So definitely not that. Also would you not then be admitting that being a Calvinist is a negative thing? So I would think its more on the line of a fallacie of conjunction. Because you follow reformed doctrine you are also a Calvinist. So im not sure what fallacie you are using but it involves throwing logical fallacies at the wall hoping one sticks. Maybe you are using logical fallacies as your strawman 🤔
 
I literally stated that God did not lie. Are you not reading the posts?
No you stated God must be liar if he saying he changed the event,

Your implying he doesn't know the outcome of every event.

Your limiting God


He knows every name that is written in the lambs book of life

He knows every new being that will be born.

He knows there whole life before there born

It's called for-knowing

And what he already knows comes into your existence here and now.

Only God can change your future
 
If you say that God knew beforehand that Nineveh would repent and in turn, he will not destroy them, then that makes God a liar. God is not a liar. God simply changed his mind based upon their response to his word.
This is what your limiting of God said,

Your saying God did not know the outcome because he changed his mind.
when you think inside of the box like this, this is the type of response you give, your limiting God

God knows everything about your future and when his words comes to you it doesn't reveal your future completely it gives you the will from his will from the begining to change your future.
 
I literally stated that God did not lie. Are you not reading the posts?
This may help

The future was already set but God sent a flood to cleanse the earth to change the future.

And he knew the best best path for ark to take through the flood, because he knew the future

Then theres also all the prophecies that come through

Jeremiah 25:11-12 🙂
 
I agree that Scripture must never be used lightly or irreverently. Many people do misuse God’s Word online as a toy to defend their pet beliefs. That is not honoring the Lord. However, Scripture says we are to “preach the word” (2 Timothy 4:2 KJV). In other words, at the end of the day, the truth of God’s Word needs to shine forth, and only one truth can stand. Not many.

My original point, though, was simply this: when someone consistently avoids Scripture in doctrinal discussion, that is usually a sign of something deeper. Those who regard God’s Word as “very pure” will truly love it, and those who love it will naturally bring it into the conversation (Psalm 119:140 KJV). Using Scripture rightly and in context is not the same thing as misusing it.

You mentioned that some people quote verses carelessly or out of context, and I fully agree. But that does not mean we should quote Scripture sparingly. It means we should quote it rightly with reverence, accuracy, and submission to its authority. What concerns me most is when a person hardly uses Scripture at all, especially when discussing doctrines that require clarity from God’s Word.

That was my point with 2 Thessalonians 2:10. When someone calls a plain passage a “dark” or “mysterious” verse simply because it contradicts their belief system, that is not reverence for the Word. That is avoiding the actual text.

I am always suspicious of a believer who says we should not use the Bible in a discussion, because it sounds very similar to the Charismatic groups or others who tell Bible-believing Christians that they are “too Bible-minded,” as if Scripture itself were the problem. A true love for God’s Word produces a desire to speak it, study it, and rely on it, because “out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”




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Well perhaps one should not use it sparingly but rather use it correctly The Bible says scriptures are used for teaching, training in righteousness, and for revealing God's will and plan. According to 2 Timothy 3:16-17, they are useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so a person can be "thoroughly equipped for every good work

So scripture is for building up not tearing down or to be used willy nilly with no regard for it or to use it merely to prove something right or wrong

But there are also those who speak of things that are of scripture without actually quoting it, and there are also those who only use scripture but do so in a manner that is taken out of context. some sstill believe that because they quote scripture it puts them in the right so called bible scholars who have no issue quoting it but do so in an unbiblical way
 
I Go with A&E being created with Gods will in them to choose right as it was Gods life breathed into them

But also being created with freedom of thought, but not there own internal will from God driving there choice as it should of done.

But curiosity and temptation. From both the mind and outside influence drove there choice

The will that was in them should of driven there choice. But it never


And once sin entered them that was when mans free will was born.
 
Me: Calvinists, is it appropriate to feel sorry for the reprobates?

Calvinists: we don’t know who the reprobates are

Me: I don’t know who all has cancer around me but I can still feel sorry for those who do, plus if they die in unbelief then you do know who they are and is it appropriate to feel sorry for them given their plight of being born with a nature that could only hate and reject a God who first rejected them?

Calvinists: you don’t understand Calvinism!!!

Me: ok. That’s why I’m asking you

Calvinists: you’re a stupid poopy head

Me: ok. But can we talk about the question?

(Soteriology 101)

Their reputation is everywhere, lol.
 
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Me: Calvinists, is it appropriate to feel sorry for the reprobates?

Calvinists: we don’t know who the reprobates are

Me: I don’t know who all has cancer around me but I can still feel sorry for those who do, plus if they die in unbelief then you do know who they are and is it appropriate to feel sorry for them given their plight of being born with a nature that could only hate and reject a God who first rejected them?

Calvinists: you don’t understand Calvinism!!!

Me: ok. That’s why I’m asking you

Calvinists: you’re a stupid poopy head

Me: ok. But can we talk about the question?

(Soteriology 101)

Their reputation is everywhere, lol.
I don't know if I have met an actual Calvinist like a legit hardcore one but I have met some who show their tendencies and it usually never ends with a good conversation insults are almost always mixed in there
 
Because she says she isn't. Why do you continue to bear false witness against her?

Thats a fallacie of assumption. I have never called anyone in here a calvinist. Go back as far as you want. Why do you bear false witness against me by claiming I do?
 
This may help

The future was already set but God sent a flood to cleanse the earth to change the future.

And he knew the best best path for ark to take through the flood, because he knew the future

Then theres also all the prophecies that come through

Jeremiah 25:11-12 🙂

There are certain things that God has stated in scripture that will come to pass. It's call prophecy. Nothing man or Satan can do to change it.
 
This is what your limiting of God said,

Your saying God did not know the outcome because he changed his mind.
when you think inside of the box like this, this is the type of response you give, your limiting God

God knows everything about your future and when his words comes to you it doesn't reveal your future completely it gives you the will from his will from the begining to change your future.

God did not do what he said he would do unto them.

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.