Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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How hard is it to tell someone about Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection?
And then not tell them that it does them absolutely no good? And then not tell them how your Calvinist pre-birth sovereign lottery scheme is unbiblical doomer nihilistic fatalistic pseudo-philosophy?

I'm calling that evangelistic fraud.
 
Err no where saved by grace is the main reason.
In order to be pardon we must have done something wrong because pardoning someone is giving grace to the one who's being pardoned, the one who has done something wrong. And since we're from a corrupt tree, that we're automatically judge. Like only good fruits comes from a good tree just like a lemon can only come from a lemon tree.
And so, whatever the tree that we're on, we will come out the same unless we've been grafted onto another tree which it takes a while for us to change in order to become like the tree that we've been grafted onto.

Some of those fallen Israelites made it possible for us to be grafted onto the tree. That we were put into their place giving us a chance to be on the tree of Life. That's why salvation comes from the tribe of Judah (Jews) the tribe of Jesse which all of the Israelites are considered to be a part of, that they were grafted or converted onto its tree. And have places for the Christians

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

Romans 11:19
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”


Isaiah 6:13
And though a tenth remains in the land, it will again be laid waste. But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.”

Isaiah 11
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

John 14:2
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.




 
This construction expresses an intended outcome that was genuinely within reach but never realized because they rejected the love of the truth.
yes ... God reaches out and people either déxomai or suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

déxomai ... when a person believes the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation, that person is born again ... no "might be" about it.

déxomai not ... when a person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and does not believe the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation, that person is not born again.




Bible_Highlighter said:
The grammatical force of the verse demonstrates that salvation was offered to them as a genuine possibility, and they turned it away.
yes ... they did not déxomai the truth.

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Gods inherent will holds value to him in the unbeliever and the believer

Romans 9:18

Now it doesn't not hold that much value to anyone untill they've learned a few things

1 there hearts where once hardened before saved

2 untill they where saved they only then realise how much there heart had been hardened

3 the lord hardens all hearts until they bow down to his inherent will.
Romans 1:21 – 32 reveals the downward spiral to the endpoint of the reprobate mind. No one is born in that state. The reprobate mind is the result of man stepping further and further away from God. As a person continues to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, there are downward steps to the reprobate mind:

vs 21 – suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... foolish heart becomes darkened which results in behaviors shown in vss 22-23.

vs 24 – given up to uncleanness which results in behaviors shown in vss 24-25.

vs 26 – given up to vile affections which results in behaviors shown in vss 26-27.

vs 28 – reprobate mind which results in behaviors shown in vss 28-32.


according to some who have posted in this thread, natural man cannot, under any circumstances, believe any truth from God's Word. Is that what you believe, Jordon?

the reality is that many folks who are not born again believe Gen 1:1 – that God created the heavens and the earth.

many folks who are not born again believe Ex 20:13 – that murder is wrong.

many folks who are not born again believe Prov 22:6 – that it is good to train children.




Jordon said:
Fixed it for you 🙂
nope ... you fixed it for yourself.

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In order to be pardon we must have done something wrong because pardoning someone is giving grace to the one who's being pardoned, the one who has done something wrong. And since we're from a corrupt tree, that we're automatically judge. Like only good fruits comes from a good tree just like a lemon can only come from a lemon tree.
And so, whatever the tree that we're on, we will come out the same unless we've been grafted onto another tree which it takes a while for us to change in order to become like the tree that we've been grafted onto.

Some of those fallen Israelites made it possible for us to be grafted onto the tree. That we were put into their place giving us a chance to be on the tree of Life. That's why salvation comes from the tribe of Judah (Jews) the tribe of Jesse which all of the Israelites are considered to be a part of, that they were grafted or converted onto its tree. And have places for the Christians

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

Romans 11:19
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”


Isaiah 6:13
And though a tenth remains in the land, it will again be laid waste. But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.”

Isaiah 11
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

John 14:2
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.




in order to be let out of prison you have to serve his inherent will

Romans 9:18
 
Romans 1:21 – 32 reveals the downward spiral to the endpoint of the reprobate mind. No one is born in that state. The reprobate mind is the result of man stepping further and further away from God. As a person continues to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, there are downward steps to the reprobate mind:

vs 21 – suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... foolish heart becomes darkened which results in behaviors shown in vss 22-23.

vs 24 – given up to uncleanness which results in behaviors shown in vss 24-25.

vs 26 – given up to vile affections which results in behaviors shown in vss 26-27.

vs 28 – reprobate mind which results in behaviors shown in vss 28-32.


according to some who have posted in this thread, natural man cannot, under any circumstances, believe any truth from God's Word. Is that what you believe, Jordon?

the reality is that many folks who are not born again believe Gen 1:1 – that God created the heavens and the earth.

many folks who are not born again believe Ex 20:13 – that murder is wrong.

many folks who are not born again believe Prov 22:6 – that it is good to train children.





nope ... you fixed it for yourself.

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Naw in order to be let of prison you have to serve his inherent will

Every knee will bow

Romans 9:18

Fixed it for you
 
All told, the arguments of the Calvinists are specious and then they move on to absurd.
But always and forever biblically illiterate.
nice riggle sir.

Looks like your the one with the snake oil now 🤩

Its the same also for when you say these many Scripture you say proof against determinism.

Determinism in The lord eyes is

Romans 9:18

these are two inherent wills in a person to a believer and an unbeliever in which he can look
at a person's whole life and he knows who desire his blessing.

And when he knows he determines who are his.

And seeing as his will means you can do nothing to change it, that means you where determined.

Only you and your wild imagination only paints the picture of determinism as a bad thing.

Why well because your an determined follower of yourself 🤩

Your the worst calvinist here
 
hope/pray you love, love, love fresh from the oven salted brown butter brownies with vanilla ice cream!!! ... deee-licious

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sounds mouth watering,

What people wouldn't do for a slice of the cake is mind boggling, in many people.

Some people will bend over backwards, whilst others will shoot the hand that feeds them 🤕
 
Yes we know, that is why TULIP is so very dangerous.
no the one who determines there self is the most dangerous one, as they read tulip in correctly.

And then become the worst type of calvinist like you which is a super duper self determined Calvinist like you

Have a great day Mrs calvinist 🤩
 
And then not tell them that it does them absolutely no good? And then not tell them how your Calvinist pre-birth sovereign lottery scheme is unbiblical doomer nihilistic fatalistic pseudo-philosophy?

I'm calling that evangelistic fraud.
In order to be pardon we must have done something wrong because pardoning someone is giving grace to the one who's being pardoned, the one who has done something wrong. And since we're from a corrupt tree, that we're automatically judge. Like only good fruits comes from a good tree just like a lemon can only come from a lemon tree.
And so, whatever the tree that we're on, we will come out the same unless we've been grafted onto another tree which it takes a while for us to change in order to become like the tree that we've been grafted onto.

Some of those fallen Israelites made it possible for us to be grafted onto the tree. That we were put into their place giving us a chance to be on the tree of Life. That's why salvation comes from the tribe of Judah (Jews) the tribe of Jesse which all of the Israelites are considered to be a part of, that they were grafted or converted onto its tree. And have places for the Christians

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

Romans 11:19
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”


Isaiah 6:13
And though a tenth remains in the land, it will again be laid waste. But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.”

Isaiah 11
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

John 14:2
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.




Pardoned means a judge letting you go.

A judge could also pardon Donald trump because he became president.

And a person can pardon his own excuses. I beg your pardon sir 🤩

Gods grace has no excuse and his grace should be seen as his grace.

It shouldn't be seen as excuse.

His grace should only be seen as his saving Grace.

Which can even save a child who is without excuse 🤩.

Fixed it for you
 
John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also.
They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
John10-14-16.png

John 10 verses 14-16 ~ I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
 
How hard is it to tell someone about the Rapture?
About the Millennium?

The real ones.
not that hard at all when his love has made you alive in Christ.

You would be able to believe your now a citizen of heaven

There fixed the rapture for you.
 
John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would
I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
John14-1-3s.png

John 14 v 1-3 Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.
 
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Pelagianheretics.png

Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 
yes ... God reaches out and people either déxomai or suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

déxomai ... when a person believes the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation, that person is born again ... no "might be" about it.

déxomai not ... when a person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and does not believe the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation, that person is not born again.





yes ... they did not déxomai the truth.

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I am sorry, but you are arguing against the Greek construction and the words "they might be saved" as if the KJV was wrong and the KJV translators were a bunch of morons until you came along. Also, you are arguing for the verb form and not the actual Greek word. Sorry, I am not buying into your higher Greek knowledge. Do you have any Bible that is your final Word authority besides the one that exists only in your own mind? Is there any Bible verse or passage that supports your "Choose Your Adventure Bible" mentality? If there is, I would like to see it. Are you fluent in Greek and an expert on Greek grammar? Do you know more than Georgios Babiniotis?



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