Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Albert]

In my years of following Jesus Christ, I found that a person can be right in the truth aspect but can also be wrong in application. Ask yourself some questions. Do I need to be right? Is the point I'm trying to make more important then the bond of peace and love one to another? Can't I pray to the Almighty God to give the hearer understanding and peace instead of my self righteousness? Isn't The Holy Spirit a way better teacher then I am?

 

[Rufus]

Sir.... I have determined a while back, that I have no reason to explain to you what you have proven to have no capacity for.
It is like you call evil good. And, good evil.

Please refrain trying to discuss with me.
If you can...

That's easy to do. You're a blowhard, windbag anyway. You could never answer the question about how God would play Favoritism card to a world filled with sinners.

Anyhoo....have a great night. And may you have sweet dreams of yourself stroking poor Pharaoh's beard. Maybe in your dream Pharaoh will introduce you to Judas -- or Adam.

 

[Albert]

You realized you just sinned against another to prove a point and God would rather have each other keep ourselves in repentance. This is where unfruitful arguments lead. It's better to bless your enemies and exhibit humility and gentleness then shoot our words against each other as arrows. God Bless you both

 

[GWH]

Why don't you call the pp inherent value ?

Why change it to one understanding that suits yours reasoning better ?

As far as I'm aware the moral responsibility of the lords is something he can act freely with.

So why should the saved not have moral free will once your saved, his way lives in you.

The unsaved are not free full stop in anyway only in thought , and only Godly sorrow in there heart can cause them to repent, as much as they would like to think they can, they can't

There is none that do good not one

I value the PP as given by God; sorry you do not.
Regarding MFW, meditate on Romans 2:11, Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1 Pet. 1:17, 1Tim. 2:3-4 and John 3:16-18.
Tulipism is being refuted systematically in the Hermeneutics thread.

 

[Genez]

That's easy to do. You're a blowhard, windbag anyway. You could never answer the question about how God would play Favoritism card to a world filled with sinners.

Anyhoo....have a great night. And may you have sweet dreams of yourself stroking poor Pharaoh's beard. Maybe in your dream Pharaoh will introduce you to Judas -- or Adam.

Thank you, Rufus.
It's always a pleasure.

 

[Blue155]

This is where unfruitful arguments lead. It's better to bless your enemies and exhibit humility and gentleness then shoot our words against each other as arrows

 

[Genez]

You realized you just sinned against another to prove a point and God would rather have each other keep ourselves in repentance. This is where unfruitful arguments lead. It's better to bless your enemies and exhibit humility and gentleness then shoot our words against each other as arrows. God Bless you both

Some are here for the purpose to make sure they break up what might have been a fruitful dialogue.
The ones who do that have no interest in learning something that they may not know already.

 

[Albert]

1 Corinthians 1:8
NIV
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.


If we are to follow Christ as Our savior then we are members of his Body. Members of Christ keep the unity of peace and also keep each other from sinning especially against other believers. Would you rather be right or sin Against your brother? At what cost? The cost of knowing more then him or brow beating your wisdom unto him. That's not true wisdom in my opinion.

God Bless you Genez

 

[HeIsHere]

1 Corinthians 1:8
NIV
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.


If we are to follow Christ as Our savior then we are members of his Body. Members of Christ keep the unity of peace and also keep each other from sinning especially against other believers. Would you rather be right or sin Against your brother? At what cost? The cost of knowing more then him or brow beating your wisdom unto him. That's not true wisdom in my opinion.

God Bless you Genez

It is not about being right.

 

[Genez]

1 Corinthians 1:8
NIV
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.


If we are to follow Christ as Our savior then we are members of his Body. Members of Christ keep the unity of peace and also keep each other from sinning especially against other believers. Would you rather be right or sin Against your brother? At what cost? The cost of knowing more then him or brow beating your wisdom unto him. That's not true wisdom in my opinion.

God Bless you Genez

Interesting... Speaking of knowledge?

There are two words that can be translated knowledge.
One is mere academic type thinking. = gnosis.

The other is knowledge that should become living spiritually in us, like eating food that nourishes you and becomes a part of you.
That kind of knowledge in the Greek is epignosis.

The knowledge that puffs up is 'gnosis.'

Epignosis does not puff up the ones who are able to accept it.

We do not keep peace in the face of false teaching.
We show what is to correct. If it causes a reaction?
That becomes the Lord's business.

This is what those who have epignosis are to know and how it is to be used.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training
in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

You can not obtain true unity with those who promote false doctrine. The thinking of those who accept false doctrine
may have unity in their flesh, but not in Spirit and truth.

In forums like these it is quite a common thing to see conflicts. It is done for the sake of those who are seeking truth in an area they have yet to consider. What takes place between those in a conflict expressing their thinking could turn out to be just what the onlooker needed to hear.

But when it degrades into name calling? No exchange in knowledge? Nothing will be there for the benefit of someone seeking and needing truth.

 

[Albert]

Genez....I spoke to you in love and I still do so. I discerned the conversation going in a way of sin and so I intervened gently to keep you from sin. I leave this conversation now for I said all that needs to be said. May The Lord Jesus himself Bless you with His gentle Kindness and Peace.....Amen.

 

[Genez]

Genez....I spoke to you in love and I still do so. I discerned the conversation going in a way of sin and so I intervened gently to keep you from sin. I leave this conversation now for I said all that needs to be said. May The Lord Jesus himself Bless you with His gentle Kindness and Peace.....Amen.

You wish to create a mood here. Right?

Unless you quote the thing that upset you we have no idea what it is you refer to.
Sure, things get rough here at times.
This is not some church meeting.
It is a forum designed for debate.

Chats end up being debates in cyberspace.

 

[Kroogz]

Repent and Believe - But You Can't!
The Consistent Inconsistent Calvinist Gospel By Ross Chenault

Repent and believe, just give it a try.
Just know that you're doomed from the start.

If you're not chosen you're doomed, so why even try?
But still seek me with all of your heart.

I know that I've told you to think and to act-
and obey Me in all of My ways.

But the dead are not free to choose or to act: A dead corpse has nothing to say.
I know that I've said many thousands of times to repent and believe and obey.

But I'm sovereign you see: I don't say what I mean!
Those are just words that I say.

So why do I give all those calls to repent: Why say all those things I don't mean?
Because they're just word games—not genuine calls!

Those words are just not what they seem.
The dead can't respond or obey my commands,

They're all just slaves to their sin.
But I'll select just a few and I'll zap them with faith; and make them be born again.

The Lord Jesus Christ~~~I am the way, the truth and the life.

The worst lie ever told to 30,40,50% of mankind.......according to the calvies theory.

 

[Genez]

Repent and Believe - But You Can't!
The Consistent Inconsistent Calvinist Gospel By Ross Chenault

Repent and believe, just give it a try.
Just know that you're doomed from the start.

If you're not chosen you're doomed, so why even try?
But still seek me with all of your heart.

I know that I've told you to think and to act-
and obey Me in all of My ways.

But the dead are not free to choose or to act: A dead corpse has nothing to say.
I know that I've said many thousands of times to repent and believe and obey.

But I'm sovereign you see: I don't say what I mean!
Those are just words that I say.

So why do I give all those calls to repent: Why say all those things I don't mean?
Because they're just word games—not genuine calls!

Those words are just not what they seem.
The dead can't respond or obey my commands,

They're all just slaves to their sin.
But I'll select just a few and I'll zap them with faith; and make them be born again.

A good thing is ....

People first getting saved?
They do not know hardly any Bible doctrine.
So?
Not knowing the Calvinist's theory could not stop them from believing.

They will believe in spite of the fact that they should not be able to!

 

[Genez]

1 Corinthians 1:8
NIV
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.


If we are to follow Christ as Our savior then we are members of his Body. Members of Christ keep the unity of peace and also keep each other from sinning especially against other believers. Would you rather be right or sin Against your brother? At what cost? The cost of knowing more then him or brow beating your wisdom unto him. That's not true wisdom in my opinion.

God Bless you Genez

Albert?

Who else here have you approached in that sort of way concerning their negativity in regard to those who do not agree with their dogma?
Anyone?
Why, none of the ones who have been denigrating those who oppose their brand of doctrine?

Why just me?

I do not see you doing it with anyone else.
Some others have been down right nasty...

I wonder what it is you are really seeking to accomplish.

I wonder why you just picked me.

 

[Jordon]

I value the PP as given by God; sorry you do not.
Regarding MFW, meditate on Romans 2:11, Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1 Pet. 1:17, 1Tim. 2:3-4 and John 3:16-18.
Tulipism is being refuted systematically in the Hermeneutics thread.

More accusations, I ask how come you dot call the pp it inherent gift and value as it's described.

Instead you choose the linear meaning. ?

And you don't know what I like.

And I ain't bothered about tulipism.

 

[Jordon]

again ... it goes both ways ... if you don't see it, you don't see it ...

James 3:2-10

2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.

4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.

5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

hope/pray all is well with you Jordon ... I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday ...

ttfn.

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happy birthday to your daughter, and I hope you have a nice day

 

[Jordon]

Sir.... I have determined a while back, that I have no reason to explain to you what you have proven to have no capacity for.
It is like you call evil good. And, good evil.

Please refrain trying to discuss with me.
If you can...

Your highly intimidating to me.

And as seen in another thread here Dallasman when calling people calvinists he is calling them evil and over powering people with his abuse, and you and your crew do the same thing everyday.

Hour after hour.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

yes ... if they had "welcomed the truth" and believed the gospel ... salvation would be a reality, not just a possibility.

the key to the verse is not "might" as emphasized in Post 27,486 ... the key to the verse is the word "received" and, as explained, the word in the Greek means to receive in a welcoming (receptive) way. 1209 (déxomai) is used of people welcoming God (His offers), like receiving and sharing in His salvation.

when truth is received and the gospel is believed, salvation is not just a possibility, it is a reality because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.

Because those spoken of in 2 Thes 2:10 did not love the truth, they did not believe the gospel, and they did not partake of the promise ... not because the promise failed, but because they failed to receive that which would bring them to salvation.

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Perhaps you are misunderstanding where I am coming from. The phrase “might be saved” in the KJV is not describing uncertainty after someone receives the truth. There is no question that anyone who receives the love of the truth and believes the gospel will be saved. Scripture affirms this with complete certainty.

The phrase “might be saved” is describing the situation before they rejected the truth. It expresses the real possibility that was still open to them. The outcome depended on whether they welcomed the truth or rejected it. They rejected it. That is why the intended result never came to pass.

This is exactly what the Greek construction εἰς τὸ plus the infinitive conveys. It expresses an intended result that is conditional upon a response. It does not weaken the certainty of salvation for the believer. It simply expresses what would have happened had they received the truth.

It can be seen clearly when restated:

If they had received the love of the truth
then they would have been saved.
They refused the truth
so they were not saved.

The KJV translators used “might be saved” to accurately capture that conditional possibility. It does not mean that salvation is uncertain for those who believe. It means that salvation was genuinely available to these individuals, but their refusal to welcome the truth is what prevented the intended outcome.

So the verse is not about uncertainty after receiving truth. It is about the genuine possibility of salvation that was rejected because they refused to receive the truth.



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[Jordon]

Some are here for the purpose to make sure they break up what might have been a fruitful dialogue.
The ones who do that have no interest in learning something that they may not know already.

I seem to remember you couldn't even bless the Calvies in Jesus name.

Is stead you chose to call me

A spiritual looser

An idiot

And escalate an unnecessary argument with me after I took not one but many of your fruitless comments.


The word for you sir is self righteous