Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Me_Clay said:
Hey Rogerg, are you a Calvinist?
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Some here will say they are not a Calvinist, but then some of them will later turn around and state they accept or agree with the teachings of John Calvin. Personally, I see this as misleading. They should be upfront that while they do not prefer to be called a Calvinist, they do hold to his teachings. Then again, if one's Calvinistic worldview of God does immoral things like create the majority of mankind for the sole purpose to be tortured for all eternity as their one and only fate or option, then this can affect your overall attitude or behavior for the worse.



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from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
 
Solitude said:
You are the one held accountable for what you believe.

Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe false doctrine?
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Wrong question. The question is not “Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe false doctrine?”

The question is “Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe and obey the gospel of Christ”?
 
Bible_Highlighter said:
In such cases, prayer and shining the love of Christ towards them is the way then...
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Trouble is people are hypocrites, and pretend to be doing one thing while doing another.Know what mean?
You ought to. I called you out for that very behavior just yesterday. Maybe you are still in denial about it.
And you continue to refuse to address verses I have asked you about several times.
 
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Blue155 said:
Wrong question. The question is not “Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe false doctrine?”

The question is “Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe and obey the gospel of Christ”?
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So who's a believer here?
 
Blue155 said:
Wrong question. The question is not “Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe false doctrine?”

The question is “Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe and obey the gospel of Christ”?
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The gospel of Jesus Christ is correct doctrine.

Do you believe Jesus saves those who ultimately choose to believe false doctrine?
 
Magenta said:
Trouble is people are hypocrites, and pretend to be doing one thing while doing another.Know what mean?
You ought to. I called you out for that very behavior just yesterday. Maybe you are still in denial about it.
And you continue to refuse to address verses I have asked you about several times.
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A little more carrot and less stick will work better with me. And if you could avoid posting pictures of white witches or magical fairy-type women with seductive looks and artificial smiles, that would help. Those images are hard on the eyes, and I could have easily missed what you said because of them. If there is a specific verse you think I did not address, bring it up again and leave out the insults, and the disturbing photos. I say this not to wound you, but with the love of Christ.





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Bible_Highlighter said:
A little more carrot and less stick will work better with me. And if you could avoid posting pictures of white witches or magical fairy-type women with seductive looks and artificial smiles, that would help. Those images are hard on the eyes, and I could have easily missed what you said because of them. If there is a specific verse you think I did not address, bring it up again and leave out the insults, and the disturbing photos...
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There are no witches or fairies in my Scripture panels, why do you lie? You did this yesterday also, claiming a
pearl was some occult magic ball or something, you went on and on about chakras and other occult things as
if it were some specialty of yours to teach. You are certainly a disturbed individual, you continue to criticize
but demand I do not, like the hypocrite you are, as if more carrot less stick would not equally apply to me.

You have a heart problem.
 
Bible_Highlighter said:
A little more carrot and less stick will work better with me. And if you could avoid posting pictures of white witches or magical fairy-type women with seductive looks and artificial smiles, that would help. Those images are hard on the eyes, and I could have easily missed what you said because of them. If there is a specific verse you think I did not address, bring it up again and leave out the insults, and the disturbing photos. I say this not to wound you, but with the love of Christ.





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The irony behind Calvinists arguing against free will is that they believe a lot about it for it not to exist.
 
Me_Clay said:
So who's a believer here?
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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God (Romans 10:17).
I define a believer as somebody who believes the Bible and trusted Jesus as their Savior and seek to follow Him.
However, not everyone today believes the entirety of the Scriptures, though.
They only believe bits and pieces of it from a slanted point of view (in order to justify some odd-ball belief).
Many today justify sin and evil as if God would agree with them in some way.
Some do this as a part of attacking God's good character in some way and others do not.
But the constant theme is justifying sin in some way.



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Blue155 said:
The irony behind Calvinists arguing against free will is that they believe a lot about it for it not to exist.
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Man has volition. But heretics think that proves man's will is free. Scripture says no such thing. It says the opposite, in fact.

And this is the Bible discussion forum. If you want to discuss un-Biblical philosophical concepts, here is not the place.
 
Magenta said:
There are no witches or fairies in my Scripture panels, why do you lie? You did this yesterday also, claiming a
pearl was some occult magic ball or something, you went on and on about chakras and other occult things as
if it were some specialty of yours to teach. You are certainly a disturbed individual, you continue to criticize
but demand I do not, like the hypocrite you are, as if more carrot less stick would not equally apply to me.

You have a heart problem.
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Well, your intentions don’t change the reality of what is being presented. What matters is what is actually seen and experienced. If the artwork contains imagery that aligns with the occult in any way, I’m not going to be pleased to see it, and I’m going to call it out. You may view it as nothing more than stones or jewelry, but that does not stop witches or the occult from using those same items in specific ways, and many people recognize that these things are associated with them. And again, Scripture makes it clear that a woman’s true beauty is in the inward person, not in outward apparel. The Bible says we are to avoid having any appearance of evil.



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Bible_Highlighter said:
Well, your intentions don’t change the reality of what is being presented. What matters is what is actually seen and experienced. If the artwork contains imagery that aligns with the occult in any way, I’m not going to be pleased to see it, and I’m going to call it out. You may view it as nothing more than stones or jewelry, but that does not stop witches or the occult from using those same items in specific ways, and many people recognize that these things are associated with them. And again, Scripture makes it clear that a woman’s true beauty is in the inward person, not in outward apparel. The Bible says we are to avoid having any appearance of evil..
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You acting like a hypocrite and going on about occult practices has more an appearance of evil than my panels which you lie about.

You see what you want to just like how you read the Bible. You don't see what is actually there.
 
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HeIsHere said:
One has to accept that they do not have the capacity to get it.
They have a echo chamber here, but as you know when it comes to formal debates and other places of dialogue, they pretty much lose over and over again.
They say the same things over and over again.
Their "system" does not stand up to scholarship, hermeneutics, context and scrutiny.
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They haven't won a skirmish let alone a battle.
 
Bible_Highlighter said:
If there is a specific verse you think I did not address,
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Are you saying you have not seen the many questions I have put to you again and again? Is this another of your pretenses, IF you did not address things I have repeatedly asked about? The lack of honesty you bring to your fantasy desire to discuss Scripture is appalling.

I posted a verse about man's will being enslaved to do the will of the devil and you responded with an image meant to misrepresent.

When are you going to admit that an unregenerated person without the indwelling Holy Spirit of God is a natural man who can neither receive nor comprehend the Spiritual things of God as Scripture plainly states? Neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. When will you stop denying that the gospel is a spiritual matter containing some of the deep things of God? Free willers love to deny that. When are you going to deal with the fact that men have been taken captive to do the will of the devil, which tosses your fantasy of free will out of existence? That the whole world is blinded, that not all are called? I ask you about these things and you REFUSE to deal with them while pretending you want to discuss Scripture. And your contradiction that salvation is available to all, oh, then you say, but not these people because they never had their names written in the Book of Life. Well, there's a start. Surely there's more.
 
BillyBob said:
Only because they do not believe John 15:5, which says "without Me you can do nothing".
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Every branch IN ME, that does not bear fruit he takes away.

John 15:2 KJV
"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit,
he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

Any branch in Christ that does not bear fruit He takes away.
Takes it away to where to do what with it?

Any branch that abides in Christ will bear much good fruit.
But the branch that does not continue to abide in Christ will be cast forth as a branch and thrown into the fire to be burned.

Ephesians 15:1-6 KJV
"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

This should send fear to every believer here, but many here will mock the plain words of our Lord here.



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