In your opinion, you believe it is a dishonest image.
That doesn't necessarily mean your opinion about the image fits with what we know about the real world or Scriptural truth.
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Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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In your opinion, you believe it is a dishonest image.
That doesn't necessarily mean your opinion about the image fits with what we know about the real world or Scriptural truth.
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Blah blah blah. Calvinists are not the only ones who say things as depicted in that stupid image. What did it have to do with what I said? NOTHING. You are dishonest, pretending one thing and doing another and then wanting us to believe you don't do that and we better stick to your standard of discourse even if you don't because you are a hypocrite after all. And it still leaves you dishonestly claiming you want to discuss Scripture. I gave Scripture and you pretend it doesn't exist. You have a derangement syndrome.
Newsflash: if people are taken captive to do the will of the devil, their will is not free.
When are you going to accept that natural men are not indwelt with the Holy Spirit???
Please offer Scripture when we talk about this topic.
Otherwise you are wasting your time.
I am here to talk about the Bible, and not to gossip, or make things overly personal.
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Your pride is that bad you can't even give up arguing with a lady.
You have no respect sir.
I understand. Many today are simply unaware of the seriousness of the Bible issue.
In fact, a large number of Christians have a pick and choose your own adventure Bible mentality. They pull from a multitude of translations and end up forming a Bible that exists only in their mind. Others appeal to Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that were never used historically by the believing church.
The Critical Text Modern Bible Movement is, historically speaking, the new kid on the block. It began with the 1881 Westcott and Hort English Revised Version, where Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were blended together into a new textual base. Yet the movement did not gain widespread popularity until the rise of the NIV in the 1980s.
To make matters worse, a Unitarian named George Vance Smith worked on the ERV alongside Westcott and Hort. Smith later wrote a book openly acknowledging that doctrinal changes were made, and he celebrated those changes because they supported his Unitarian beliefs.
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Did you try and promote this with me before?
Is your Bible something that is historic or is it bound up to a select few or only you?
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Ah, he sure thinks he can pull fast ones here.lol it does seem to make his head boil
And he for sure does not like being called out for them. He wants us to believe his bull pucky instead.
Any ways, wishing you a jolly good day sir. I am off for now...
Enabling grace
Ephesians 4:31
New International Version
31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
This serves as a guide to serve God
Psalm 37:8
New International Version
8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil
Ephesians 4:31
New International Version
31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
This serves as a guide to serve God
Psalm 37:8
New International Version
8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil
. You need a reality check sir,
All the things you have accused us of your doing
you to sis have a good day
I'm off drive a drive a friend to a hospital now to see if there cancer free after 2 years in remission
It's a big day for them
If my friend gets the all clear today the chances of it never coming back is 3 percent for the next year and zero percent next year.
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It's truly amazing your comment here
You ram Calvinism down her neck every time you speak to her
It's like some kind of sick joke your post.
That somehow or another over 1000s of scripture provided from me is evidently none existence.
On the the other hand if i assign Calvinism to ever post I made .
You would be well and truly interested.
Excuse me why i pinch myself to see if I still exist.
I can't believe just how free your will is.
You've spent hours accusing us of all sorts then you bless us all the name of Jesus ?
It's like hey dude I love ya but I hate ya
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Every passage means what the Holy Spirit meant when He inspired it.
But Christians throughout history—faithful, God-fearing, obedient Christians—have disagreed on:
1. the identity of the “man of sin” (2 Thess. 2)
2. the meaning of “the seal of the Holy Spirit” (Eph. 1:13)
3. what works Paul is discussing (Eph. 2)
3. what “the gift of the Holy Spirit is” (Acts 2)
4. What David meant “ brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” (Ps. 51:5)
5. Daniel’s “seventy weeks” (Dan. 9:24)
6. Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” (2 Cor. 12:7)
7. Understanding Acts 2:19-20
And many other passages.
Were they all lost?
Is salvation grounded in one’s ability to flawlessly interpret every text? No.
Differences happen. They always have.
There is a massive difference between:
Ignorance or misunderstanding—Someone trying to obey God but imperfectly understanding a passage.
And
Rebellion. Someone refusing to obey what God clearly revealed
—regardless of evidence, Scripture, or conscience.
He condemns those who reject His will, not those who misunderstand a detail.
If that were the standard:
no first-century Christian would be saved
no one in church history would be saved
no two Christians in the world would agree on everything
unity would be impossible
The “required limit” is not a checklist of verses.
The required limit is this:
Do you submit your life to Christ?
Do you walk in the light?
Do you obey what God has clearly revealed?
Do you turn from sin?
Do you follow what you understand to be His will?
That’s the Bible’s standard (1 John 1:7).
Not “interpret every text like the majority. Or like this person or that person.”
Two people can disagree. One can be wrong, both accepted by God—as long as they act in faith, not rebellion.
This destroys the idea that every difference sends someone to hell.
Where is the line?
If a view or understanding does not deny Christ or His gospel, distort God’s nature, justify sin, oppose clear commands, encourage rebellion, replace God’s authority with human authority (Matt. 15:9), distort salvation (Gal. 1:6–9), or is not blasphemous, then it’s nothing to take issue with. Other things is dealing with mysteries, symbols, or secondary issues, or involve unclear texts. There’s got to be some freedom there.
But because I don't interpret certain texts the same way someone else does or maybe even the majority, I should be held accountable for those? Out of all the verses that people disagree on, which ones fall in the category of “if you disagree with me, you’re disagreeing with God” and you’re a heretic? How many texts do I have to believe like someone else does or like everybody else does? What’s the required limit?
Let's face it, we can't all be right. Not every interpretation is correct. There's one thing that the writers of the New Testament or the Bible mean when they say something. So we understand that there's only one interpretation that is correct. But the truth is (and there's nothing nobody could do about it) is that we all have different takes on different interpretations on different texts. Eventually, you're going to get to things where it's “you just do the best you can”. But because I believe differently on certain verses, I guess it’s not enough that I believe we are to be obedient to Christ. We are to follow Christ. We are to love Christ. And that we want to be with Christ for eternity. No—it matters just as much whether I have the same view and exact understanding as you do or else I’m lost? Where do you draw the line?
But Christians throughout history—faithful, God-fearing, obedient Christians—have disagreed on:
1. the identity of the “man of sin” (2 Thess. 2)
2. the meaning of “the seal of the Holy Spirit” (Eph. 1:13)
3. what works Paul is discussing (Eph. 2)
3. what “the gift of the Holy Spirit is” (Acts 2)
4. What David meant “ brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” (Ps. 51:5)
5. Daniel’s “seventy weeks” (Dan. 9:24)
6. Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” (2 Cor. 12:7)
7. Understanding Acts 2:19-20
And many other passages.
Were they all lost?
Is salvation grounded in one’s ability to flawlessly interpret every text? No.
Differences happen. They always have.
There is a massive difference between:
Ignorance or misunderstanding—Someone trying to obey God but imperfectly understanding a passage.
And
Rebellion. Someone refusing to obey what God clearly revealed
—regardless of evidence, Scripture, or conscience.
He condemns those who reject His will, not those who misunderstand a detail.
If that were the standard:
no first-century Christian would be saved
no one in church history would be saved
no two Christians in the world would agree on everything
unity would be impossible
The “required limit” is not a checklist of verses.
The required limit is this:
Do you submit your life to Christ?
Do you walk in the light?
Do you obey what God has clearly revealed?
Do you turn from sin?
Do you follow what you understand to be His will?
That’s the Bible’s standard (1 John 1:7).
Not “interpret every text like the majority. Or like this person or that person.”
Two people can disagree. One can be wrong, both accepted by God—as long as they act in faith, not rebellion.
This destroys the idea that every difference sends someone to hell.
Where is the line?
If a view or understanding does not deny Christ or His gospel, distort God’s nature, justify sin, oppose clear commands, encourage rebellion, replace God’s authority with human authority (Matt. 15:9), distort salvation (Gal. 1:6–9), or is not blasphemous, then it’s nothing to take issue with. Other things is dealing with mysteries, symbols, or secondary issues, or involve unclear texts. There’s got to be some freedom there.
But because I don't interpret certain texts the same way someone else does or maybe even the majority, I should be held accountable for those? Out of all the verses that people disagree on, which ones fall in the category of “if you disagree with me, you’re disagreeing with God” and you’re a heretic? How many texts do I have to believe like someone else does or like everybody else does? What’s the required limit?
Let's face it, we can't all be right. Not every interpretation is correct. There's one thing that the writers of the New Testament or the Bible mean when they say something. So we understand that there's only one interpretation that is correct. But the truth is (and there's nothing nobody could do about it) is that we all have different takes on different interpretations on different texts. Eventually, you're going to get to things where it's “you just do the best you can”. But because I believe differently on certain verses, I guess it’s not enough that I believe we are to be obedient to Christ. We are to follow Christ. We are to love Christ. And that we want to be with Christ for eternity. No—it matters just as much whether I have the same view and exact understanding as you do or else I’m lost? Where do you draw the line?
Everything God created is beautiful. Praise God!Nice to meet a fellow Gardener sir, the story was me, and my words.
It's a very special relationship to God,
It shows him you care,
I believe God did indeed create us to be stewards of his land, to as well as other reasons,
Thanks i always do have a nice day to, even when it seems im not. Because I'm a special tree too.
My tree has a network that's connected to the true vine, and it doesn't take long for me to filter out the poison trying to turn my seed into poison,
And then there the seed that's want to set fire to my poor little beaches that get watered, by the seed that's gets delighted when I water his seeds, I know that to be true, cuz quite often I get a gentle gust of wind when my prayers are answered.
I know this may be long winded to some, but I love the wind, as God can control it
