interesting you should mention do not do not covet m
Which means am obsessive longing to have something that's not yours.
Which is what you doing m, you keep having things your own way m
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Which means am obsessive longing to have something that's not yours.
Which is what you doing m, you keep having things your own way m
Arminians believe that God calls people at certain points in time in enabling a person's will to be able to freely choose. This is called Prevenient Grace, and others in the Arminian camp may define it a little differently. This means one cannot just freely choose God of their own according without God's conviction of their sin, without God's drawing, and without his opening their heart and eyes to see the truth. The Scriptures do say that the devil blinds people. But this is not a permanent state for all people. God loves people and He will come into their life and offer them the truth. Once that offer is made, it is up to them to decide or to exercise their free will under God's drawing.
Pelagians do not believe this and its all man's will and God's involvement is not really needed for them to see the truth or make a choice. I am against Pelagianism just as I am against regular Calvinism & Hyper Calvinism.
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Well, you can keep inventing those conspiracy theories if you like. But I see right through this tactic.
You sir are not dealing with the Scripture verses on this issue like 2 Thessalonians 2:10, and Jonah chapter 3.
Until then, you are just wasting everyone's time here.
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You do not seem to believe in free will at all. You are just confused about who comes to believes.
Although you also stated earlier that some do not have this choice at all, not having their
name written in the Book of life, so you contradict yourself, as those in error often do.
no you only cite scripture to promote condemnation in this thread anyway.
How about instead of looking for verses to not rely on your brother. and look for ones where credit was given to brothers and even sisters contributions to church and dont just think about money either.
Try searching romans and Paul the predestined Calvinist in your book,
He must be right if you don't believe being elected is true
Your welcome.
I just have a stronger distaste for Calvinism because it violates basic morality on several levels and I see how it affects the attitudes of others once they believe in it. While I am on friendly terms with two particular Calvinists who are KJV-only (because I hold to a similar position, i.e. Core-KJB), my general experience with Calvinists has not been so pleasant over the years.
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It's the Calvinist who promote condemnation upon a good majority of men.
According to classic Calvinism: Only the Elect can be saved and the offer of salvation is limited to them.
People who are not Elect do not have a chance at salvation because they have not been elected by God.
God created them for the specific purpose to be damned as their fate and to be tortured for all eternity.
So in Calvinism, God creates a bunch of human life just to see it suffer.
If so, then saying "God is love" as Scripture proclaims would be an empty statement.
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it's not m the Arminians and Calvinism conflict is nothing more than a fantasy that promotes dogma in the community
Okay, if I have not already posted these, I see
Matthew 5:17, the purpose of Jesus coming to rearth in the flesh first, to fulfill the Law for us all. Then, did that, then at the cross, yelled John 19:30, it is finished. Was his Matthew 5:17 completed? Per the disciples in 2 Cor 5:16-20 it was and is forever done by Son for us all.
Now I placed verse 16 there to see, truth "We once knew him in the flesh, today no more". Therefore it can only be of God Father's spirit and Truth, not of any flesh and blood works or can it? I see through out the First Testament not one could or did, not perfect ever.
New life in God Father's Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24) cannot be of any person in of flesh and blood, but Jesus's, therefore be willing to be dead presently daily to God above everything else of this earth? Only Daddy, Father, PaPa knows who can or will, love it, thank you Father.
New life is offered in the risen Son, the death had to get done first willingly to be credited to all people, to get new life from day one anyone believes God as in Eph 1:13 states to me anyways. To see God has accepted and forgiven us all by Son it is done. Eph 1:6-7 it is done for each that choose belief to God personally to be new in God's Spirit and Truth, willingly daily be dead to self and all sin after them, learn to say no and stand in it, over time in not giving up, these learn to take no credit to self ever, at least learn to over time in growing up (Hebrews 5:12-Hebrews 6:3). Not of any flesh work to do, (Yet seems as one does have to) to see it is done for you too. This Love deeply resonates in you too, from God for you too as is for us all, otherwise, what Jesus did, is not of any value as per 1 Cor 15 tells me.
He is risen where new life is at for us all to be new in God's Spirit and Truth, dead to first birth willingly, thank you Father and Son as Won (One) for us all, otherwise no chance for me at least, as I can only truthfully speak for me, and hope for everyone else to choose God over it all and learn new in love and mercy given them too.
aw yawns m you Keep bringing this verse up m
Theses are dark scriptures m that should be left to lord.
Thats How I see that verse.
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Here is one of the many problems with Calvinism. The issue is that if God eternally decreed all events, all actions, choices, wills, desires, thoughts, intentions, motives of mankind, then that would also mean that He eternally decreed the fall, which would mean He eternally decreed Adam to sin. But nobody, not even Calvinists, would say that God was pleased with the fall. And I would agree with them on that. He was not pleased with the fall. But if He eternally decreed it (if He eternally decreed all events), because He eternally decrees, according to Calvinism, every man's actions, thoughts, desires, wills, motives and determinations, you name it, then how would that not be Him not being pleased with His own eternal decree? Not only that, but it would also mean that God, (taking Calvinism consistently) has eternally decreed Himself not to be pleased with His own eternal decrees.
Now, if Calvinists say yes, and God has eternally decreed the fall, then logically, according to Calvinism, taking it consistently, they would have to say that God would then be displeased with His own eternal decree. If they say no, He did not eternally decree the fall, then they are saying that Adam was able to do something that God did not eternally decree Him to do. But yet they would still say that God is still all-sovereign and powerful. So either way they answer it, Calvinism falls.
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Now, if Calvinists say yes, and God has eternally decreed the fall, then logically, according to Calvinism, taking it consistently, they would have to say that God would then be displeased with His own eternal decree. If they say no, He did not eternally decree the fall, then they are saying that Adam was able to do something that God did not eternally decree Him to do. But yet they would still say that God is still all-sovereign and powerful. So either way they answer it, Calvinism falls.
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I wouldn't recommend encouraging people to shoot the messengers m
revealing sin is not a sin m
But in your imagination it is.
And when you and all the Calvinist bashers in this thread can apologise for your actions you may be forgiven.
But until then if you could just all answer the question why does The Calvin university teach obedience to the father if they think there already saved,
Then you may just all start to realise your sin
Be Careful how you answer now, because you may well shoot the messenger again
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Did Calvin write this and sneak it into the Bible when no one was looking?
Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
C'mon, sis, everyone on this planet knows that God [fore]knew who would believe and who would not. All he did was look into his cosmic crystal ball to learn that.
