Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Bible_Highlighter said:
While Ai's can make mistakes, that is where you have to do your due diligence and look up those sources that would back up what it says. Do you see Arminianism as dirt? Do you see other false religions as dirt? If so, then how can you expose these false beliefs to others so as to warn others not to fall into the same trap? Would it be wrong for you to warn others of false beliefs?

See, truth is not your enemy.
Ai's are just software that can help you to gain information.
You can either use that information to defend the faith or not.
The choice is absolutely up to you.


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What happens if the truth is not in you well you become bad to the bone

Well this actually my Aussie friends will like this m 🤩

 
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Magenta said:
Are you one of those sinless perfectionists, pretending you never sin but are still saved?
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Believers can stumble unintentionally on rare occasion, but they cannot justify sin.
But as for believers walking uprightly:
What do you think 1 Peter 4:1-2 says?
What do you think 2 Corinthians 7:1 says?
What do you think Ephesians 5:25-27 says?



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Magenta said:
Yes, God allowed the fall of man knowing it would happen, to deny this is to deny His omniscience, and
God also had already made provision for it, knowing what the natural man Adam would do, but FWers
have such a terribly difficult time accepting what Scripture says of the natural man, and in fact they
are so confused about the natural man that they ascribe to him qualities, characteristics and abilities
that only the spiritual man is in possession of... their whole self-exalting theology rests on that error.

It also contributes in a big way to FWers becoming the Pelagian heretics they are.

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The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14
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I did not ask if He allowed it. I asked if He eternally decreed it.
 
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Bible_Highlighter said:
Believers can stumble unintentionally on rare occasion, but they cannot justify sin.
But as for believers walking uprightly:
What do you think 1 Peter 4:1-2 says?
What do you think 2 Corinthians 7:1 says?
What do you think Ephesians 5:25-27 says?
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Is this an admission that you do still sin?
 
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Magenta said:
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
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that’s from the NT. Not the OT. Beautiful passages when understood correctly 😉
 
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Blue155 said:
Right. So are you saying the statement was incorrect and God did not eternally decree it?
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You said it made no sense. I was simply showing how it made sense to me. God was not surprised by Adam's choice, as
provision had already been made, whereby we are to be perfected in Christ. Do you disagree with this understanding?
 
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Jordon said:
What happens if the truth is not in you well you become bad to the bone
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Truth is a person named Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Truth is also the Holy Scriptures (John 17:17).

If a person want to know they abide in the truth (Christ, and His Word), they can have an assurance of this if they find they are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3). Note: This is not the ceremonial laws of the Mosaic Law like the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, animal sacrifices, dietary laws. Instead, believers are to follow the moral laws (like do not steal, do not murder, do not covet, etc.). They are to follow the law of Christ, etcetera.

But the person who says they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commands, they are a liar and the truth (JESUS, & His Word) is not in them.

1 John 5:12 says that he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life.

You said:
Well this actually my Aussie friends will like this m 🤩

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So you appeal to a sinful song with affectionate terms as a part of a holier than thou diatribe.
 
Magenta said:
Interesting thought here because Jesus made that response to his disciples when they asked, who then can be saved?
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Do you do not think or know it was not only for them, what he said to them, yet is for us all, since he went to death willingly once for everyone to choose to believe he is risen from the dead or not, where new life begins in all who choose to believe God Father in risen son for them too?
 
Magenta said:
You said it made no sense. I was simply showing how it made sense to me. God was not surprised by Adam's choice, as
provision had already been made, whereby we are to be perfected in Christ. Do you disagree with this understanding?
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Did God eternally decree the fall?
 
OK: So how does this sound: Do we all have Free Will to believe and trust in JESUS, and then, if we do trust in HIM, then HE will, through HIS GRACE, give us SALVATION?

Have I got this right, or do I need to go back to school?!

Please set me straight!
 
Jordon said:
no if you ask chat ai to dig up dirt it will.

And if you program it with more dirt it gets more dirty.
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You can ask ChatGPT and Perplexity to give you an unbiased viewpoint on something.
I have done this even with asking for the interpretation on Bible verses when it comes to this topic.
For example, I recently asked for an unbiased viewpoint on 2 Peter 3:9 if it seems more like the context defends the Calvinist view or not. So, I am not only looking to seek answers that I desire to see. I am always open to see things differently if truth supports it.
But Calvinists cannot be even bothered to explain verses like 2 Thessalonians 2:10, or Jonah chapter 3 that makes any kind of rational sense. This is because they know deep down that these passages do not support them.



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Blue155 said:
Did God eternally decree the fall?
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What do you mean by decree? He MADE it happen? Or did Adam choose to sin? I read it that sin and death
entered the world because of Adam's disobedience. Was it God's design that if natural man decided to follow
his own desires instead of those of God, God would decree the consequence of death, which He desired for
no one? And made provision that to believe in the shed righteous blood of His only begotten Son for the
remission of sins, one could escape the consequence of sin (eternal death) and attain to life ever after?
 
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