Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Will that is unencumbered by any influence.

Does this apply to only unsaved men, or to both saved and unsaved?

 

[Cameron143]

Does this apply to only unsaved men, or to both saved and unsaved?

All mankind.

 

[Jordon]

And how does one discipline the will of the flesh, Jordon?

well it's obvious that I know and you don't.

And even if I showed you, you will deny it, and so there for you'll have to ask him for an answer, as I can't ask you to read the bible as I've Already showed you and it's made no difference.

All I can say is ask him.

And I suggest you learn to question your own walk it's clearly jumping up and down like a yo yo.

I would like to say I hope you find peace.

And I hope you get blessed with wisdom

 

[Magenta]

how does the flesh accept the gospel tho

It doesn't. That person hears the gospel as foolishness. They are blinded to the truth, and can neither receive nor comprehend it.
Not only that but they are opposed to it, and hostile in their minds toward God... just more for the free willer to turn a blind eye to...

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Will that is unencumbered by any influence.

Based on this definition not even God has freewill because he is constrained by his nature to not do evil.

 

[Jordon]

John 3:16
Acts 16:31

The most treasured verses that you hold so valuable and can't say for yourself that these verses are his enabling grace.

You would rather be ignorant than confess for yourself in your own words that these two verses mean his enabling grace.

You know those two verses are his enabling grace, but you will not confess this with your own words.

Is it some kind of crime to you, to admit what is clearly true of these sacred passages

 

[Jordon]

It doesn't. That person hears the gospel as foolishness. They are blinded to the truth, and can neither receive nor comprehend it.
Not only that but they are opposed to it, and hostile in their minds toward God... just more for the free willer to turn a blind eye to...

I know, but dont let them hurt you, your very precious to God,

It's because of his will in you that you've been blessed with wisdom, and patience.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

there's no such thing as a Calvinist it's a myth

Lots of people here in the States identify as Calvinists so that is not true.


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[reneweddaybyday]

I do believe they are the same, but it's immaterial to the conversation. Unbelievers are in a constant state of carnality. They are not subject to the law and cannot be. This is not true of those who have the law written upon their hearts.

maybe you'll believe Martyn Lloyd-Jones concerning this work of the law written on the heart ...

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[Jordon]

Lots of people here in the States identify as Calvinists so that is not true.



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only true if you believe it .

Which you do

Which means you will believe anything

It's called the faith of Jack and ory tell me a story

 

[reneweddaybyday]

err your friend @Me_Clay clay has called me a biblically retarded bastard.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

to prove is to test ... test what you hear ... hold fast that which is good ... everything else ... give it to God ...

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

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[Me_Clay]

maybe you'll believe Martyn Lloyd-Jones concerning this work of the law written on the heart ...

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MLJ is one of the best preacher, a doctor who became a preacher.

 

[Magenta]

I know, but dont let them hurt you, your very precious to God,

It's because of his will in you that you've been blessed with wisdom, and patience.

Thank you, Jordon, you are very sweet and have way more patience than I do. So odd that
we are being told to repent of believing what the Bible explicitly articulates, but it goes
with the whole free will shtick of contradicting and outright denying what Scripture says.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

only true if you believe it .

Which you do

Which means you will believe anything

It's called the faith of Jack and ory tell me a story

I have already been over this with another person who denies that Calvinists exist.

Please take a moment to search the internet. Entire universities are literally named after John Calvin.

You can even type into Google the phrase “You don’t know Calvinism.” It is a well-known expression used so often by Calvinists themselves that it has become a recognizable meme. (Do you know what a meme is?) It is common knowledge that Calvinists exist just as flat earth believers exist, though to me their belief is just as silly as Calvinism.

And if that is not enough, there are people openly identifying as Calvinists in published articles such as this one:
https://www.gty.org/articles/A341/why-i-am-a-calvinist-part-1

Are you still going to try to gaslight us into believing they do not exist after this?



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[Bible_Highlighter]

Oh I do agree that modern Bibles are getting worse not better. And absolutely yes they sneaking in Calvinist doctrine.

Yes, everyone should know that I’ve made a free PDF available showing how Modern Bibles falsely promote Calvinism.



Click on image to see the PDF at Dropbox:



Or click the link here:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sv39...w7yny45h1eamfrk248uwlat1&e=1&st=xydpezdz&dl=0

Or one can check it out (along with other PDFs) at my website:

www.affectionsabove.com



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[Bible_Highlighter]

only true if you believe it .

Which you do

Which means you will believe anything

It's called the faith of Jack and ory tell me a story

I’ve been active on Christian forums for about 15 years now.
During that time, I’ve encountered many self identifying Calvinists on different Christian forums.
You and another user in this thread are the first people I’ve met who have tried to gaslight me into believing they do not exist when in reality I know they do from first hand experience.



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[Jordon]

Thank you, Jordon, you are very sweet and have way more patience than I do. So odd that
we are being told to repent of believing what the Bible explicitly articulates, but it goes
with the whole free will shtick of contradicting and outright denying what Scripture says.

Thanks patience is a gift, but it grows like it did with Paul over time, its only something that shows when you've lived in living hope which Paul's letters confirms, which is never lost, sometimes we do lose some ground when we dont do what we should be doing, but thats only because where only human, but for you your patience and wisdom has been nice to witness, amongst all the bad and good times here. .

Your faith you've been. blessed with is very strong willed, and as I see it the life working in you as shone a light here more times than I've had had hot dinners.

I mean that m,

 

[Jordon]

I have already been over this with another person who denies that Calvinists exist.

Please take a moment to search the internet. Entire universities are literally named after John Calvin.

You can even type into Google the phrase “You don’t know Calvinism.” It is a well-known expression used so often by Calvinists themselves that it has become a recognizable meme. (Do you know what a meme is?) It is common knowledge that Calvinists exist just as flat earth believers exist, though to me their belief is just as silly as Calvinism.

And if that is not enough, there are people openly identifying as Calvinists in published articles such as this one:
https://www.gty.org/articles/A341/why-i-am-a-calvinist-part-1

Are you still going to try to gaslight us into believing they do not exist after this?



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I’ve been active on Christian forums for about 15 years now.
During that time, I’ve encountered many self identifying Calvinists on different Christian forums.
You and another user in this thread are the first people I’ve met who have tried to gaslight me into believing they do not exist when in reality I know they do from first hand experience.



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best thing you can do is light a candle and pray for the lord to relieve you of your inflicted fantasies

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

best thing you can do is light a candle and pray for the lord to relieve you of your inflicted fantasies

Ah, so you’re digging your ditch even deeper.
That tells me one of four things.

Either…

(a) You are severely uninformed and live in a bubble where you’ve convinced yourself of the delusion that Calvinists do not exist.​

(b) You are the type who mocks learning and refuses to look up even basic facts (As if anti-intellectualism is something to be praised).​

(c) You are deliberately trying to gaslight others into believing a lie, even though you know better.​

(d) You’re joking, and merely trying to either get attention, or you are messing with us to get a laugh.​

All you have to do is search the internet, "Why I am a Calvinist" and you can have a field day of reading a good number of articles.
Do you think these people are in on some conspiracy? If so, that would be highly unlikely. What would the motivation be?
Anyone can do a Google search in seconds and know you are lying. Again, is that the kind of reputation you want as a Christian?




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[Jordon]

Ah, so you’re digging your ditch even deeper.
That tells me one of four things.

Either…

(a) You are severely uninformed and live in a bubble where you’ve convinced yourself of the delusion that Calvinists do not exist.​

(b) You are the type who mocks learning and refuses to look up even basic facts (As if anti-intellectualism is something to be praised).​

(c) You are deliberately trying to gaslight others into believing a lie, even though you know better.​

(d) You’re joking, and merely trying to either get attention, or you are messing with us to get a laugh.​

All you have to do is search the internet, "Why I am a Calvinist" and you can have a field day of reading a good number of articles.
Do you think these people are in on some conspiracy? If so, that would be highly unlikely. What would the motivation be?
Anyone can do a Google search in seconds and know you are lying. Again, is that the kind of reputation you want as a Christian?




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internet stands for w.w.w

World wide web

You can try to save it, but you've got no chance. You can live in it for far to long, and you may come out of the other side shining but you may not.

You could get stuck in the Twilight zone tho for being in the wrong places for to long.

And that not being ignorant that's bursting your bubble,

What happens when you can't let go of your mask, is it gets bigger and you become the phantom of the opera