Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Never forget: those who take the mark of the beast do so of their OWN FREE WILL.
Then comes the consequences of their BAD CHOICES!


And remember......God warned them over and over again. Two witnesses, Israelites preaching, angels flying in heaven warning the world.

You do err, as do all of the hard-core Calvinists.

[Rev 14:6 KJV]
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

[Rev 14:7 KJV]
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

[Rev 14:8 KJV]
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

[Rev 14:9 KJV]
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

[Rev 14:10 KJV]
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
back to being mr meany again.
 
Matthew 6:34
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Every day will have it's own set of hassles, we never need go looking for trouble. Sometimes the best thing to do (for our own sanity) is to walk in the other direction. :)

@sawdust : Yes, good advice, sister!
 
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And remember......God warned them over and over again. Two witnesses, Israelites preaching, angels flying in heaven warning the world.

And to add to what you said, they knew it was God who was causing all their calamity.

Rev.6:15-17
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [a]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Funny how "dead men" can know God when He punishes them but can't know Him when He reaches out in mercy with salvation. ;) :LOL:
 
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I'll tell you what my Aussie legend.

Seeing as it's you, one last word

Have you ever enjoyed defeating your enemies, and watching them humble themselves.

Maybe you have

Here's another one that might float your boat

Have you ever loved playing sports sports with your rivals, who want to beat you.

It's called loving your enemies son


What say to the philosophy Aussie do dar
 
I'll tell you what my Aussie legend.

Seeing as it's you, one last word

Have you ever enjoyed defeating your enemies, and watching them humble themselves.

Maybe you have

Here's another one that might float your boat

Have you ever loved playing sports sports with your rivals, who want to beat you.

It's called living your enemies son


What say to the philosophy Aussie do dar

@Jordon : I've never defeated my enemies!
 
Told, or commanded? Which as you should know, but seem to ignore, the natural man
cannot obey or submit to God in the flesh. Only those in Christ are free to do so.
So, you are saying that God wanted those who worship the beast in the future as if that was their only path or fate?
If so, what does that say of God's character and goodness?
I see Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8 as God declaring the end from the beginning because that is what God does.
It does not mean He wished that was their only choice. It simply is the choice they made. If not, then the blame for worshiping the beast by wicked people in the future falls upon God and not man.

You seem to take God knowing what will happen as if that means He makes it happen or prefers it to happen. But knowing something in advance is not the same as causing it. God can know our choices without forcing them. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). This tells you the heart of God. God so love the world (John 3:16). But you have to twist the obvious plain readings of these verses to fit the Calvinist perspective..

You said:
Like being taken captive to do the will of the devil?

2 Thessalonians 2:10 says that the reason why those who perish are perishing is because they received not the love of the truth that they MIGHT be saved. There is no MIGHT be saved in Calvinism but this is what the Bible says. This means that the captivity of the devil is limited in scope and temporary until Christ draws a person. For Scripture says He draws all men. John 16:8 says that the Spirit convicts the world of their sin.

You said:
Blinded by the god of this age as is the whole world?

If we read verses in a vacuum, sure, this would be true. But we look at the whole counsel of God's Word. See the verses above that I just mentioned.

You said:
Oh, you ignore that as well as a plethora of other verses.

Uh, huh. Still waiting for years for a Calvinist to give me a satisfactory answer on 2 Thessalonians 2:10 in the KJV.
They just won't do it because the Word exposes their false belief.


You said:
You have the incurably wicked heart of the flesh doing what Scripture says it cannot.

Actually, this is very funny. I discovered this corruption in Modern Bibles not too long. The KJV does not say the heart is incurable like the Modern Bibles do. There are other verses in Modern Bibles that are changed that teach Calvinism. It just shows you the agenda that is taken place.



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Actually, this is very funny. I discovered this corruption in Modern Bibles not too long. The KJV does not say the heart is incurable like the Modern Bibles do. There are other verses in Modern Bibles that are changed that teach Calvinism. It just shows you the agenda that is taken place.

Oh that's interesting. A literal interpretation of the Hebrew doesn't even convey the idea of desperately wicked as the KJV does,

The heart is crooked in all, and frail., Who can know it?
And the Septuagint doesn't come close to that.

The heart is deep beyond all, and is the man, and who can know him? Jeremiah 17:9
 
Oh that's interesting. A literal interpretation of the Hebrew doesn't even convey the idea of desperately wicked as the KJV does,

The heart is crooked in all, and frail., Who can know it?
And the Septuagint doesn't come close to that.

The heart is deep beyond all, and is the man, and who can know him? Jeremiah 17:9

Well, many last day Modernist Hebrew experts have not bothered to the look into linguistic skills of the KJV translators.
Most people are ignorant of their credentials or they downplay them.
In short, if I believe you, then we don't have the Word of God, unless we bend the knee and kiss the ring of the latest scholars and Modernists who think they know the original languages when they really don't.
Granted, I am not against the original languages. I full heartedly endorse them and desire for people to know them.
Yet, at the same time, they are not a means to correct the English Bible that existed for hundreds of years, either.



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Oh that's interesting. A literal interpretation of the Hebrew doesn't even convey the idea of desperately wicked as the KJV does,

The heart is crooked in all, and frail., Who can know it?
And the Septuagint doesn't come close to that.

The heart is deep beyond all, and is the man, and who can know him? Jeremiah 17:9

If you knew even a fraction of what I know, you will realize that the Modern Bible Movement is corrupt on many levels.
So your claim or the scholar's claim of knowing the Hebrew and the Greek pales in comparison to that of the KJV translators.
This is just an undisputed fact but people see what they desire because that is what they desire.

In short, one is either a Bible corrector or a Bible believer.



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If Calvinism is correct, then has God eternally decreed Himself to be patient and long suffering with the sinful choices that He eternally decreed man to do? If so, why would He be patient and long suffering toward the sins He eternally decreed man to do?
 
Oh that's interesting. A literal interpretation of the Hebrew doesn't even convey the idea of desperately wicked as the KJV does,

The heart is crooked in all, and frail., Who can know it?
And the Septuagint doesn't come close to that.

The heart is deep beyond all, and is the man, and who can know him? Jeremiah 17:9

The LXX is a fraud. Actually, there is not even one LXX. So to appeal to even saying that there is one LXX (singular) is just a lie.
Even scholarly notes refer to the fact there is more than one LXX out there. Also, Jesus is Jewish and He would not have quoted from any Greek LXX, either. Jesus said salvation was of the Jews. He referred to jots and tittles. Jots and tittles make up the letters in Hebrew and not Greek.

Jot (Greek: ἰῶτα / iōta)
  • Refers to the Hebrew letter yod (י) — the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet.
Tittle (Greek: κεραία / keraia)
  • Means a tiny stroke, hook, or projection used to distinguish between similar Hebrew letters.
  • For instance:
    • The letters ב (beth) and כ (kaph) look very similar but are distinguished by a small stroke or “tittle.”

This is why the whole LXX discussion is just silly. There was never any BC LXX. OT Scriptures would have been translated into Greek afterwards to spread God's Word into the language of the common world. That's it. They obviously tried to match up the prophecies from the NT vs. the OT in the different LXX's. This does not mean they are correct.



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