Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Rufus]

We still have that God blasphemer refusing to acknowledge what Scripture actually says of Mary.

The vile things that come out of his wicked imagination surely defile him. All due to his idol of free will.

From Luke 1 v 46-55 “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! For He has looked with favor on the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed. For the Mighty One has done great things for me. Holy is His name. His mercy extends to those who fear Him, from generation to generation. He has performed mighty deeds with His arm; He has scattered those who are proud in the thoughts of their hearts. He has brought down rulers from their thrones, but has exalted the humble. He has filled the hungry with good things, but has sent the rich away empty. He has helped His servant Israel, remembering to be merciful, as He promised to our fathers, to Abraham and his descendants forever.” Mary was not asked; she was informed (see Luke 1 v 26-38).

Mary was very much aware of how much God is so OTHER compared to herself. She acknowledged her lowly, humble estate when she understood His supremely exalted, majestic and glorified state.

 

[Magenta]

God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace. Jesus Christ is the author and perfecter of my faith, which was not by my will, effort or desire.

 

[Rufus]

Our freewill is not without restraint any more than God's freewill is not without restraint. Doesn't make it any less free. Freedom without restraint is chaos not freedom.

We're making progress. You don't believe in a libertarian-style freewill, do you? But...you also committed intellectual suicide! God's will is restrained by His Holy, Righteous, Good nature since He cannot sin -- yet, his will is truly free since he's free FROM sin, corruption, slavery, darkness, death, etc. so that he is free TO do what is good, righteous and just. Likewise, since you concede that man's will is also restricted, then why do you whine like a baby when told that man's will is just as restrained as God's since he is NOT free FROM sin, corruption, slavery, darkness, death, etc. which makes him only free TO sin!? Man, unlike God, cannot not sin!

 

[Me_Clay]

Dear Cameron143

The breath of life given by God = spirit

If a man dies, his body return to dust, spirit return to God. (Ecclesiastes 3:21, 12:7)

A spirit has no form or shape, it is not physical. Can perform presence and atmosphere function only.

The life given by God is the result of a soul.

All unborn child has a living soul, the soul returns to God.

All soul belongs to God (Eze 18:4)

A soul has a body. It can perform bodily and spiritual functions. You will retained your own body. No nip or tuck.

Jesus set the examples after his resurrection, he walked through door, ate broiled fish, honeycomb and allow Thomas to touch his hand.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Kind regards
Clay

 

[Magenta]

The life given by God is the result of a soul.

The life given by God is via His ruach, breath, or neshamah, giving life to the earthly elements, causing it to become a living soul.

 

[Jordon]

Dear Cameron143

The breath of life given by God = spirit

If a man dies, his body return to dust, spirit return to God. (Ecclesiastes 3:21, 12:7)

A spirit has no form or shape, it is not physical. Can perform presence and atmosphere function only.

The life given by God is the result of a soul.

All unborn child has a living soul, the soul returns to God.

All soul belongs to God (Eze 18:4)

A soul has a body. It can perform bodily and spiritual functions. You will retained your own body. No nip or tuck.

Jesus set the examples after his resurrection, he walked through door, ate broiled fish, honeycomb and allow Thomas to touch his hand.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Kind regards
Clay

your ideas are based on your imagination, where in scripture does it state the breath of life is not the living soul of a man. God breathed life into man and he became a living soul, it doesn't get any more spiritual than that. God who is spirit breathed life into man it doesn't get any more spiritual than that.




since all souls are mine says God and spirit returns to God in a spiritual realm, or the soul suffers torment

This more than indicates the soul is spirit too going to a spiritual place of rest or torment.

 

[Cameron143]

Dear Cameron143

The breath of life given by God = spirit

If a man dies, his body return to dust, spirit return to God. (Ecclesiastes 3:21, 12:7)

A spirit has no form or shape, it is not physical. Can perform presence and atmosphere function only.

The life given by God is the result of a soul.

All unborn child has a living soul, the soul returns to God.

All soul belongs to God (Eze 18:4)

A soul has a body. It can perform bodily and spiritual functions. You will retained your own body. No nip or tuck.

Jesus set the examples after his resurrection, he walked through door, ate broiled fish, honeycomb and allow Thomas to touch his hand.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Kind regards
Clay

It seems you are saying there are material parts and immaterial parts to man. You have distinguished the body as the material part and the spirit and soul as the immaterial parts. Earlier I gave the verse...Luke 6:45. Does this verse demonstrate that the heart is exerting influence on the mouth, or is the mouth exerting influence on the heart?

 

[Me_Clay]

your ideas are based on your imagination, where in scripture doesn't state the breath of life is not the living soul of a man. God breathed life into man and he became a living soul, it doesn't get any more spiritual than that. God who is spirit breath life into man it doesn't get any more spiral than that.




since all souls are mine says God and spirit returns to God in a spiritual realm, or the soul suffers torment

This more than indicates the soul is spirit too going to a spiritual place of rest or torment.

Dear Jordan

Soul and spirit is not interchangeable.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Kind regards
Clay

 

[Jordon]

Dear Jordan

Soul and spirit is not interchangeable.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Kind regards
Clay

the soul and spirit when the soul gets saved it becomes of spirit. Born of new spirit

Are you dividing the two ?

 

[Magenta]

It seems you are saying there are material parts and immaterial parts to man. You have distinguished the body as the material part and the spirit and soul as the immaterial parts. Earlier I gave the verse...Luke 6:45. Does this verse demonstrate that the heart is exerting influence on the mouth, or is the mouth exerting influence on the heart?

Luke 6:45! Man's incurably wicked heart, oh, some say it is capable of doing good while Jesus said otherwise.

Jesus also said a bad tree cannot produce good fruit but free willers contradict that, also.

Romans 7 v 14, John 8 v 34, Jeremiah 13 v 23, Romans 3 v 10 ~ We know that the law is spiritual; but
I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.” Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Neither are you able to do good - you who are accustomed to doing evil. There is no one righteous, not even one.

 

[Me_Clay]

The life given by God is via His ruach, breath, or neshamah, giving life to the earthly elements, causing it to become a living soul.

Dear Magenta

Correct.

I am not a Jew neither do I speak hebrew.

Google:

Ruach is a Hebrew word that means "wind," "breath," or "spirit," depending on the context. It can refer to literal wind or breath, but it is most commonly used in a spiritual sense to describe God's active power (as in Ruach Elohim, the Spirit of God) or the inner, non-physical essence of a person

Kind regards
Clay

 

[Jordon]

Dear Jordan

Soul and spirit is not interchangeable.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Kind regards
Clay

is the the sword going to pierce the Spirit of God

Nope


The soul is born of new spirit

The sword judges both.

 

[Magenta]

Dear Magenta

Correct.

I am not a Jew neither do I speak hebrew.

Google:

Ruach is a Hebrew word that means "wind," "breath," or "spirit," depending on the context. It can refer to literal wind or breath, but it is most commonly used in a spiritual sense to describe God's active power (as in Ruach Elohim, the Spirit of God) or the inner, non-physical essence of a person

Kind regards
Clay

I am not a Jew either, neither do I speak Hebrew.

However I do base my beliefs on what the Bible says.

Adam became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into him.

 

[Me_Clay]

is the the sword going to pierce the Spirit of God

Nope


The soul is born of new spirit

The sword judges both.

Dear Jordan

Have you read the subject of regeneration?

is the the sword going to pierce the Spirit of God

Nope


The soul is born of new spirit

The sword judges both.

Dear Jordan

Why would God pierce Himself?

Similarly:

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Thanks and kind regards
Collin

 

[Jordon]

Dear Jordan

Have you read the subject of regeneration?

Dear Jordan

Why would God pierce Himself?

Similarly:

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Thanks and kind regards
Collin

?

 

[Me_Clay]

I am not a Jew either, neither do I speak Hebrew.

However I do base my beliefs on what the Bible says.

Adam became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into him.

Dear Magenta

That's what I posted.

Thanks and kind regards
Clay

 

[Blue155]

Dear Jordan

Have you read the subject of regeneration?

Dear Jordan

Why would God pierce Himself?

Similarly:

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Thanks and kind regards
Collin

Collin?? I thought your name was Clay?

 

[Jordon]

Dear Jordan

Have you read the subject of regeneration?

Dear Jordan

Why would God pierce Himself?

Similarly:

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Thanks and kind regards
Collin

. Your stating things that need explanation.

I have no idea what you mean here

Are you saying Gods sword will pierce his own spirit ?

You get filled with fruits of the holy spirit that enables your soul to be born of new spirit

 

[Jordon]

Collin?? I thought your name was Clay?

are you playing silly games again

 

[Me_Clay]

It seems you are saying there are material parts and immaterial parts to man. You have distinguished the body as the material part and the spirit and soul as the immaterial parts. Earlier I gave the verse...Luke 6:45. Does this verse demonstrate that the heart is exerting influence on the mouth, or is the mouth exerting influence on the heart?

Dear Cameron143

What's left after a man dies? The body return to dust, including all parts of his body. Luke 6:45 is talking about old and new testament, a different context altogether.

Can you read again and try to understand?

Kind regards
Collin