Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[sawdust]

I've shown you from Genesis that the soul immediately impacted the flesh.

No you haven't. You showed me sin impacted the soul which affected the body. I showed you where the sin nature now is to be found but you deny it. You confuse effect with affect. The effect of Adam's sin causes us to be born with a sin nature which is found in the body which in turn affects the soul and body.

The serpent acted the way the sin nature now acts by presenting an "anti-God law". Adam had no sin nature so needed an external "law" to start the ball rolling. We have an inner law that sets things in motion.

Romans 7 is quite clear where the anti-God law resides.

Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

 

[Genez]

Yep you even exalt your self above teachers, because your idea of being loving is gay if not done authoritatively when the time comes for you to rebuke how you feel it should be done, or what ever it is that's tempting you, none of your excuses are justified, like your endless false opinions bullying harshness false accusations, denial of what the word actually says.

Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling..

Better to do it now, than when it will be too late.

 

[Magenta]

James ch 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .

 

[Blue155]

What part of the body is born is born “totally depraved”? The soul, spirit, the body or all? And what part of God’s image are we made in that man has, and what part of man is born in sin?

 

[Blue155]

Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling..

Better to do it now, than when it will be too late.

Phil. 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[Genez]

No you haven't. You showed me sin impacted the soul which affected the body. I showed you where the sin nature now is to be found but you deny it. You confuse effect with affect. The effect of Adam's sin causes us to be born with a sin nature which is found in the body which in turn affects the soul and body.

The serpent acted the way the sin nature now acts by presenting an "anti-God law". Adam had no sin nature so needed an external "law" to start the ball rolling. We have an inner law that sets things in motion.

Romans 7 is quite clear where the anti-God law resides.

Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Maybe this translation might help clarify...

But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind ​

and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body.​

.......

 

[Genez]

Phil. 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

That applies when a believer is walking in the Spirit.

Carnal and Reversionistic believers grieve, and even squelch, God's working in them.

.......

 

[Cameron143]

Why do you, who who apparently hates sound doctrine, want to know so much?

That's simple. Your assessment of me is wrong and I desire truth.

 

[Jordon]

Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling..

Better to do it now, than when it will be too late.

have you worked out yours ?

And again i don't have to work it out, thats not what it means,.it mean ls to know your salvation by the authority God has in you, by the fear his active will has in you, when you do wrong and even when you want to do right

Then it's How you respond to it to his active living fear in you. The verse speaks to those whom are saved.

But no you don't see it that way because your self exalting nature which you have no fear of thinks you can work for your salvation by working it out for yourself, and you think you have to do it before your to late.

And once again your a false teacher

 

[Genez]

In my church it says all are welcome and come you are.

But I'm not surprised you imagine churches to not being welcoming,

That will be the devil again hating children of God hating the idea of going to church, and trying to get the truth hiden.

You need help, with how to not listen to the devil along with your new buddy @Blue155 your latest addition to the religious racism squad

Going to church can be good. It should be good.
But here is a big problem we face today.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

Sound doctrine will teach you things that you do not want to hear often in the formative years.
Instead, it will teach you what you need to hear.

Paul said, that many will not want to endure/tolerate/put up with/ sound doctrine.
Wonder why?

You're on your own, kind sir.

 

[Genez]

That's simple. Your assessment of me is wrong and I desire truth.

So far, what you have told me about the Millennium, and the return of Christ, leaves me to wonder what you think truth might be?

 

[Genez]

have you worked out yours ?

And again i don't have to work it out, thats not what it means,.it mean ls to know your salvation by the authority God has in you, by the fear his active will has in you, when you do wrong and even when you want to do right

Then it's How you respond to it to his active living fear in you. The verse speaks to those whom are saved.

But no you don't see it that way because your self exalting nature which you have no fear of thinks you can work for your salvation by working it out for yourself, and you think you have to do it before your to late.

And once again your a false teacher

Keep on working it out then.

 

[Jordon]

Keep on working it out then.

I always will with his will and I don't need a false teacher to tell me what to do.

What you should be doing is owning up to yet another false teaching

 

[Cameron143]

No you haven't. You showed me sin impacted the soul which affected the body. I showed you where the sin nature now is to be found but you deny it. You confuse effect with affect. The effect of Adam's sin causes us to be born with a sin nature which is found in the body which in turn affects the soul and body.

The serpent acted the way the sin nature now acts by presenting an "anti-God law". Adam had no sin nature so needed an external "law" to start the ball rolling. We have an inner law that sets things in motion.

Romans 7 is quite clear where the anti-God law resides.

Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

For your reasoning to be correct, the flesh would necessarily always be the influencing aspect of humanity. But this isn't the case. Both the mind and the heart direct the flesh sinfully. This would not be the case if the heart and mind are not corrupted. They would necessarily always direct the flesh to do good.

 

[Jordon]

Going to church can be good. It should be good.
But here is a big problem we face today.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

Sound doctrine will teach you things that you do not want to hear often in the formative years.
Instead, it will teach you what you need to hear.

Paul said, that many will not want to endure/tolerate/put up with/ sound doctrine.
Wonder why?

You're on your own, kind sir.

no your on your own because your a self exalting crook who needs to repent

 

[Cameron143]

So far, what you have told me about the Millennium, and the return of Christ, leaves me to wonder what you think truth might be?

Well get @HeIsHere to explain it to you. And then tell her she isn't interested in truth when you disagree with her answer.

 

[Rufus]

In order to create man in His image?
God gave man (since God created man in his image) an area for man's own sovereignty, like God.

That delegated sovereignty was so complete in man?
That God can not even force someone not to reject Him if that person so wishes.

So, God created moral, personal, rational beings to compete with Him. You must think that the helpless, vulnerable, slow-witted, slow-footed, weak sheep of his pasture are sovereign, too, right? I mean...why would sheep need any stinkin' sheep-herding shepherds to take care of them, right?

 

[Rufus]

The calvies focus on the problem and NEVER focus on the solution.

Mankind fell, we are LOST.

So He FIXED our problem. He sent us His word. Signs and wonders. Raised a nation/people to witness to the world. Sent us His only Son. Sent us His Spirit.

He SEEKS that which is lost.

Imagine telling your 7 kids......John 3:16 is only for a few elect. Odds are that a couple of you God hating, totally depraved rascals aren't on His "good" list.

I cannot imagine anyone with a modicum of agape love in their heart not telling their 7 kids that they desperately need God's unspeakable gift of salvation that Christ bought with his own blood for all those who believe.

 

[Magenta]

Psalm 58 verse 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; the liars go astray from birth.

Psalm 14 verse 3
All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Psalm 51 verse 5 Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.

Psalm 52 verse 3 You love evil more than good, falsehood more than speaking truth. Selah

Psalm 53 verse 3
All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Isaiah 48 verse 8
You have never heard; you have never understood; for a long time your ears have not
been open. For I knew how deceitful you are; you have been called a rebel from birth.

Job 14 verse 4 Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!

Job 15 verse 14
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

Proverbs 22 verse 15
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

John 3 verse 3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

Romans 3 verse 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 5 verse 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and
death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.

Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20 Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

Romans 3 verse 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one."

Ephesians 2 verse 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh
and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

Jeremiah 17 verse 9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

1 John 1 verse 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[Cameron143]

I cannot imagine anyone with a modicum of agape love in their heart not telling their 7 kids that they desperately need God's unspeakable gift of salvation that Christ bought with his own blood for all those who believe.

When scripture doesn't suffice, many employ an emotional and hypothetical appeal.